Thread: If Brandon Allen Makes This Looks So Easy...

Originally Posted by Jaded

Best QB on the team, legit NFL starter ... so he can’t run option ... Lamar Jackson can’t read a defense.

6 of one/half dozen the other. A starter is a starter.

your science detection is broken....

Originally Posted by King87

Here's the hot take - Schaub made/saved Kubiak and not the other way around. Kubiak got good production out of MS, because MS was good. Kubiak got average production out of Joe Flacco, because at the time Joe Flacco was average. TS sucked and Kubiak got sucky production out of him. Kubiak never elevated anything.

You're forgetting Plummer who had his best seasons under Kubes and then regressed horribly when he left. But I get your point. Elway was also much more efficient under Kubes and Griese had a very good start to his second year as a starter prior to getting hurt.

Originally Posted by King87

I want Lock to get a good chance on the field. And if we have to take a Qb in the first round, guns blazing.

Obviously Elway does NOT want to take a QB in the first round. He wants Joe Flacco, or some other veteran QB. Young QBs make mistakes and don't help you to "win now."

For this reason, I don't expect them to draft a QB with their top 10 pick next year either. And it doesn't appear that Drew Lock will start more than maybe the last two games this season because "he's not ready."

Of course he'll never "get ready" if they don't start him and when better than when you have a lost season. But, Elway never gets it through his thick head that his team is toast until they get a star Qb.

He's still trying to "win now" right up till they lose their 8th or 9th game of the season. Then there will be further excuses not to start Drew Lock.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

You're forgetting Plummer who had his best seasons under Kubes and then regressed horribly when he left. But I get your point. Elway was also much more efficient under Kubes and Griese had a very good start to his second year as a starter prior to getting hurt.

Let's be honest - it was Shanahan's show. That's why Kubiak couldn't get an elite year out of anyone but John, and Shanahan had elite years out of multiple QB's. Also, Kubiak could no longer update his offense, which is why John refused to keep him on. Well, that and Kubes penchant for wanting us to keep his old coaches, who we had already fired once.

Shots fired

Originally Posted by King87

Let's be honest - it was Shanahan's show. That's why Kubiak couldn't get an elite year out of anyone but John, and Shanahan had elite years out of multiple QB's. Also, Kubiak could no longer update his offense, which is why John refused to keep him on. Well, that and Kubes penchant for wanting us to keep his old coaches, who we had already fired once.

Elway sat down with Shanahan after VJ's first disastrous season. It was obvious to everybody that VJ in way over his head and Elway wanted to fire him. So, after a conversation they agreed Shanahan would come back and be the coach, but Elway would still be GM and pick the players.

Shanny told Elway there was no way Joe Ellis would agree to hire him back but Elway was convinced he could convince Joe. He was wrong. Ellis vetoed the move and told Elway that he could fire VJ if he wanted, but they would have to interview a bunch of coaching candidates and not just anoint Elway's pick.

That's when Elway famously decided to "sleep on it" and after a night of reflection decided to keep VJ for 1 more year.

All this was reported by numerous sources on the radio (104.3 the Fan) and Altitude Sports).

I blame Joe Ellis on that one. But, clearly Elway could have started a coaching search rather than keep VJ, but he seems to have been miffed at Ellis' shooting down his decision to hire Shanahan back and just said "screw it! We're keeping VJ and give it one more shot."

Frankly, re-hiring Shanahan might have worked. Shanny wasn't a bad coach, he was a bad GM. His teams consistently won 7-9 games a year, but only had 1 playoff win over 10 seasons. That would be a big improvement over the current team.

And in DC he was constantly undermined by idiot owner Dan Snyder who had picked RGIII and wanted him to start while Shanny wanted Kirk Cousins.

Snyder would fly RGIII around on his private jet and they'd have player to owner discussions after games behind Shanny's back. It was an impossible situation.

So, they fired Shanahan so RGIII would have a clear lane to be their starter -- and he pooped his shorts and had to be released. That's one seriously dysfunctional team -- far worse than the Broncos.

This thread didnt age well.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

your science detection is broken....

Trust me, Inc, trust science.

Originally Posted by King87

Let's be honest - it was Shanahan's show. That's why Kubiak couldn't get an elite year out of anyone but John, and Shanahan had elite years out of multiple QB's. Also, Kubiak could no longer update his offense, which is why John refused to keep him on. Well, that and Kubes penchant for wanting us to keep his old coaches, who we had already fired once.

No. Kubes is the OC that all OCs aspire to be.

You should be ashamed of your opinion and your inability to appreciate greatness

Originally Posted by slim

No. Kubes is the OC that all OCs aspire to be.

You should be ashamed of your opinion and your inability to appreciate greatness

It's been a long time since Kubiak had 'produced' greatness.

Originally Posted by King87

It's been a long time since Kubiak had 'produced' greatness.

Define "long time"

Originally Posted by slim

Define "long time"

Well, in 10 combined seasons as a head coach he won 10 or more games three times. The last time he did that his offense was awful, he didn't let his QB play out of the shotgun, and his team won on the back of the defense. So I'd start after that season, my friend.

Originally Posted by King87

Well, in 10 combined seasons as a head coach he won 10 or more games three times. The last time he did that his offense was awful, he didn't let his QB play out of the shotgun, and his team won on the back of the defense. So I'd start after that season, my friend.

So you are starting the season after he won the SB?

Good Lord....I hope you are drunk.

Originally Posted by slim

So you are starting the season after he won the SB?

Good Lord....I hope you are drunk.

I said greatness he produced. He produced. Not greatness he was present for.