Thread: 2020 NFL Draft

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Both of them will be a instant upgrade to the psoition. Just by bumping Bolles to swing and Wilkinson out of play for Tackle...lol, but your right its not cut and dry, which is why we should stay true to our board, not reach or trade up at all for a WR, or T and take BPA....if its BPA at a position of need even better....

That's where I'm on board. IF Thomas or Becton are there at 15...I have no problem with it. I just focus more on other positions because I don't expect them to be there and I don't want to trade up for a tackle that isn't a bona fide blue chip stud.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Just out of curiosity...which tape did you seem them do well against speed rushers?

Watch Becton tape against Clemson and Syracuse(most recent 2 I watched)....Dude just obliterates people, His ability to get to the second level oh my gawd.....dude his size, with that power and Atleticism...no way he makes it out of top 10.....Thomas has some very good tape agaisnt LSU, but he tends to struggle a tad more with speed then Bechton.....

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

no both of them will be better then bolles instantly.....I have watched both against speedrushers for example, they do prett ydamn wel lfrom a technique standpoint, which is usually Bolles achilles heel, I didnt see a issue there. for all the talk of bolles physicality in the run game..its also kind of a myth to me, neither of them have those issues. I think either of those is Franchise starter at LT, an Jackon and jones will be within a year. Bolles is a very avg starter, with big mental hiccups throughout the year we should move on from....Better chance of making that happen in rd 1 then later

So we can make a pick to get a mild upgrade? That sounds like a waste of a pick, especially when he's average. He being Bolles. There is less of a skill difference between Bolles and your guys than whomever our number two WR is and Ruggs. And there are several good LT's in the NFL who are second rounders. I'm not going to find a route runner with Ruggs' talent in the second round.

There's no point in investing heavily into LT when the average LT is being less and less skilled. The era of LT's being safe picks are dead and gone in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Northman

Is Lock going to fix the problem? We dont know that either. Not trying to bust your balls but we know Bolles isnt the answer the guy has failed 2 years in a row and im not buying he's improving based on just a few games in which Lock probably bailed him out more than the other way around. Denver needs to get serious about fixing the line but people want to get so enamored with these WR's who arent going to do shit their first year because our QB (something that you eluded to about the other receivers) cant get them the football. The receiving for Denver will improve once the Oline improves as well as a complimentary run game. Considering it takes a bit more time for lineman to make an impact its best to try and get started on that process now rather than 3 years from now. Unless of course Denver has a plan to get one in FA.

I don't think Lock will have a problem getting rid of the ball. Bolles doesn't give up sacks...he tackles them before they get to the QB.

At the end of the day great QB's can make even the most average wr's good to great. Elway, Manning, Brady, often times have made some average wr's look like hof'rs. If Lock is the real deal im not really worried about guys like Patrick, Winfree, or even Hamelton at this point. But having a good oline is a must if you are trying to win championships.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Watch his tape against Clemonson and Syracuse(most recent 2 I watched)....Dude just obliterates people, His ability to get to the second level oh my gawd.....dude his size, with that power and Atleticism...no way he makes it out of top 10.....

Becton or Thomas?

Originally Posted by Poet

So we can make a pick to get a mild upgrade? That sounds like a waste of a pick, especially when he's average. He being Bolles. There is less of a skill difference between Bolles and your guys than whomever our number two WR is and Ruggs. And there are several good LT's in the NFL who are second rounders. I'm not going to find a route runner with Ruggs' talent in the second round.

There's no point in investing heavily into LT when the average LT is being less and less skilled. The era of LT's being safe picks are dead and gone in my eyes.

They are both way better then bolles....its not a safe pick its a frachise LT...thats not being safe thats building a championship......Reaching for Bolles in 2017 was panic and we have continued to pay the price....if either of those 2 are at 15 you pull the trigger if not you go BPA at position of need, if thats not there you go BPA thats how to draft properly.....

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Becton or Thomas?

Becton first (clemson, syracuse), Thomas(LSU) second those were the 3 last games I watched for those 2......I came away impressed....I also liked that even though Georgia struggled alot on offesne. Thomas had a good in percentage vs pass rush....Thats production we need.....in a top tier conference not the Mountain west like Bolles...lol

Originally Posted by Poet

So we can make a pick to get a mild upgrade? That sounds like a waste of a pick, especially when he's average. He being Bolles. There is less of a skill difference between Bolles and your guys than whomever our number two WR is and Ruggs. And there are several good LT's in the NFL who are second rounders. I'm not going to find a route runner with Ruggs' talent in the second round.

There's no point in investing heavily into LT when the average LT is being less and less skilled. The era of LT's being safe picks are dead and gone in my eyes.

The goal is always to get a 5-8 year starter at any position in the first round. Obviously, it doesn’t always happen, but that’s the goal. Even if the tackle is only somewhat better than Bolles, if he starts for five years and there’s no glaring problems, I think it’s a good pick.

I think the reason everyone assumes Denver will go receiver, is because the top tackles are usually gone in the first 10 picks, but it’s rare for receivers to go that high.

I don’t think it’s necessarily specific to the talent in this draft, but rather the history of how teams have evaluated where to draft what position.

I’d also disagree that there won’t be sure left tackles coming out. It may be harder to find because of the way college teams are using quick passes and shotgun runs nowadays, but they’re out there. I think receiver is always going to be more volatile in talent evaluation than a tackle. I think, for example, finding a second round or third round tackle who starts on the quarterback’s backside for 10 years is less likely than finding an immediate impact receiver in those rounds. I think you can look at the Gibson thread for an example of a guy who feasibly could make an immediate impact, but I’m not sure you’d find that at tackle in those rounds.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I'll agree with most of this article, but when you are part of a trio that includes Jeudy and Devonta Smith...there are only so many balls to go around to rack up big numbers. Not defending Ruggs at top end talent...just stating the obvious

but if we expand on that. He wasn't even the second best or most productive receiver on his own squad. So now we're going to say he's number two or three out of this entire draft class? That's been my beef as well. And if he were a guy that ran a 4.5or a 4.45 this wouldn't even be a discussion.

So doing a mock now, Jax offered their 1st and 2nd pick this year for our first. So now we have #20 and #10 (round 2) plus the rest of our draft. Here are the players taken already plus the top rated players available. I want your feedback on who you would draft at 20.



1: R1P1
QB JOE BURROW
CINCINNATI BENGALS


2: R1P2
EDGE CHASE YOUNG
WASHINGTON REDSKINS


3: R1P3
CB JEFFREY OKUDAH
DETROIT LIONS


4: R1P4
DL DERRICK BROWN
NEW YORK GIANTS


5: R1P5
QB TUA TAGOVAILOA
MIAMI DOLPHINS


6: R1P6
OT JEDRICK WILLS
LA CHARGERS


7: R1P7
DL JAVON KINLAW
CAROLINA PANTHERS


8: R1P8
OT MEKHI BECTON
ARIZONA CARDINALS


9: R1P9
QB JUSTIN HERBERT
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


10: R1P10
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEVELAND BROWNS


11: R1P11
OT TRISTAN WIRFS
NEW YORK JETS


12: R1P12
WR JERRY JEUDY
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS


13: R1P13
WR CEEDEE LAMB
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS


14: R1P14
OT ANDREW THOMAS
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS


15: R1P15
EDGE K'LAVON CHAISSON
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


16: R1P16
S XAVIER MCKINNEY
ATLANTA FALCONS


17: R1P17
EDGE YETUR GROSS-MATOS
DALLAS COWBOYS


18: R1P18
WR HENRY RUGGS III
MIAMI DOLPHINS


19: R1P19
CB A.J. TERRELL
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS






16 EDGE A.J. EPENESA - IOWA
18 CB CJ HENDERSON - FLORIDA
19 QB JORDAN LOVE - UTAH STATE
22 CB KRISTIAN FULTON - LSU
23 S GRANT DELPIT - LSU
24 RB JONATHAN TAYLOR - WISCONSIN
25 LB KENNETH MURRAY - OKLAHOMA
26 WR TEE HIGGINS - CLEMSON
27 DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE - OKLAHOMA
28 CB TREVON DIGGS - ALABAMA
29 DL ROSS BLACKLOCK - TCU
31 WR JUSTIN JEFFERSON - LSU
32 OT JOSH JONES - HOUSTON
33 WR LAVISKA SHENAULT JR. - COLORADO
34 LB PATRICK QUEEN - LSU
35 LB ZACK BAUN - WISCONSIN
36 CB JEFF GLADNEY - TCU
37 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE - AUBURN

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Becton first (clemson, syracuse), Thomas(LSU) second those were the 3 last games I watched for those 2......I came away impressed....I also liked that even though Georgia struggled alot on offesne. Thomas had a good in percentage vs pass rush....Thats production we need.....in a top tier conference not the Mountain west like Bolles...lol

That's one of the reasons I struggle with Thomas a bit. Despite it's overall talent, the SEC just doesn't boast some of the best defenses...and certainly not some of the best pass rushers. I look at the Big 10 for that...which would make me lean toward Wirfs. Except...he played on the right side there. Which baffles me more considering Alaric Jackson's shortcomings on the left side. And as I type this, I realize I'm obviously putting way too much thought into it

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

That's one of the reasons I struggle with Thomas a bit. Despite it's overall talent, the SEC just doesn't boast some of the best defenses...and certainly not some of the best pass rushers. I look at the Big 10 for that...which would make me lean toward Wirfs. Except...he played on the right side there. Which baffles me more considering Alaric Jackson's shortcomings on the left side. And as I type this, I realize I'm obviously putting way too much thought into it

You may be putting a lot of thought into it but i hope that Elway and company start doing that too.

Originally Posted by Northman

So doing a mock now, Jax offered their 1st and 2nd pick this year for our first. So now we have #20 and #10 (round 2) plus the rest of our draft. Here are the players taken already plus the top rated players available. I want your feedback on who you would draft at 20.



1: R1P1
QB JOE BURROW
CINCINNATI BENGALS


2: R1P2
EDGE CHASE YOUNG
WASHINGTON REDSKINS


3: R1P3
CB JEFFREY OKUDAH
DETROIT LIONS


4: R1P4
DL DERRICK BROWN
NEW YORK GIANTS


5: R1P5
QB TUA TAGOVAILOA
MIAMI DOLPHINS


6: R1P6
OT JEDRICK WILLS
LA CHARGERS


7: R1P7
DL JAVON KINLAW
CAROLINA PANTHERS


8: R1P8
OT MEKHI BECTON
ARIZONA CARDINALS


9: R1P9
QB JUSTIN HERBERT
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


10: R1P10
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEVELAND BROWNS


11: R1P11
OT TRISTAN WIRFS
NEW YORK JETS


12: R1P12
WR JERRY JEUDY
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS


13: R1P13
WR CEEDEE LAMB
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS


14: R1P14
OT ANDREW THOMAS
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS


15: R1P15
EDGE K'LAVON CHAISSON
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


16: R1P16
S XAVIER MCKINNEY
ATLANTA FALCONS


17: R1P17
EDGE YETUR GROSS-MATOS
DALLAS COWBOYS


18: R1P18
WR HENRY RUGGS III
MIAMI DOLPHINS


19: R1P19
CB A.J. TERRELL
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS






16 EDGE A.J. EPENESA - IOWA
18 CB CJ HENDERSON - FLORIDA
19 QB JORDAN LOVE - UTAH STATE
22 CB KRISTIAN FULTON - LSU
23 S GRANT DELPIT - LSU
24 RB JONATHAN TAYLOR - WISCONSIN
25 LB KENNETH MURRAY - OKLAHOMA
26 WR TEE HIGGINS - CLEMSON
27 DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE - OKLAHOMA
28 CB TREVON DIGGS - ALABAMA
29 DL ROSS BLACKLOCK - TCU
31 WR JUSTIN JEFFERSON - LSU
32 OT JOSH JONES - HOUSTON
33 WR LAVISKA SHENAULT JR. - COLORADO
34 LB PATRICK QUEEN - LSU
35 LB ZACK BAUN - WISCONSIN
36 CB JEFF GLADNEY - TCU
37 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE - AUBURN

Murray hands down

Originally Posted by Northman

So doing a mock now, Jax offered their 1st and 2nd pick this year for our first. So now we have #20 and #10 (round 2) plus the rest of our draft. Here are the players taken already plus the top rated players available. I want your feedback on who you would draft at 20.



1: R1P1
QB JOE BURROW
CINCINNATI BENGALS


2: R1P2
EDGE CHASE YOUNG
WASHINGTON REDSKINS


3: R1P3
CB JEFFREY OKUDAH
DETROIT LIONS


4: R1P4
DL DERRICK BROWN
NEW YORK GIANTS


5: R1P5
QB TUA TAGOVAILOA
MIAMI DOLPHINS


6: R1P6
OT JEDRICK WILLS
LA CHARGERS


7: R1P7
DL JAVON KINLAW
CAROLINA PANTHERS


8: R1P8
OT MEKHI BECTON
ARIZONA CARDINALS


9: R1P9
QB JUSTIN HERBERT
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


10: R1P10
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEVELAND BROWNS


11: R1P11
OT TRISTAN WIRFS
NEW YORK JETS


12: R1P12
WR JERRY JEUDY
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS


13: R1P13
WR CEEDEE LAMB
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS


14: R1P14
OT ANDREW THOMAS
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS


15: R1P15
EDGE K'LAVON CHAISSON
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


16: R1P16
S XAVIER MCKINNEY
ATLANTA FALCONS


17: R1P17
EDGE YETUR GROSS-MATOS
DALLAS COWBOYS


18: R1P18
WR HENRY RUGGS III
MIAMI DOLPHINS


19: R1P19
CB A.J. TERRELL
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS






16 EDGE A.J. EPENESA - IOWA
18 CB CJ HENDERSON - FLORIDA
19 QB JORDAN LOVE - UTAH STATE
22 CB KRISTIAN FULTON - LSU
23 S GRANT DELPIT - LSU
24 RB JONATHAN TAYLOR - WISCONSIN
25 LB KENNETH MURRAY - OKLAHOMA
26 WR TEE HIGGINS - CLEMSON
27 DL NEVILLE GALLIMORE - OKLAHOMA
28 CB TREVON DIGGS - ALABAMA
29 DL ROSS BLACKLOCK - TCU
31 WR JUSTIN JEFFERSON - LSU
32 OT JOSH JONES - HOUSTON
33 WR LAVISKA SHENAULT JR. - COLORADO
34 LB PATRICK QUEEN - LSU
35 LB ZACK BAUN - WISCONSIN
36 CB JEFF GLADNEY - TCU
37 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE - AUBURN

I toss between CJ Henderson and Kenneth Murray. But then I think about how Henderson struggles in zone sometimes and how Murray reminds me of Kwon Alexander 2.0 and I land on Murray.