Thread: 2020 NFL Draft

Originally Posted by Northman

Most of what ive read still says they are looking for Oline help, i would guess if for whatever reason Denver trades up for a tackle people are going to lose their shit because its not the sexy pick. Will be interesting for sure what happens.

Either way, I think top 3 picks need to include WR and CB. If OL is the other, I won't complain. I just don't see LT as big of a need as the other two. Just my amateur opinion.

My concern is drafting a tackle that doesn't start year one...and then being left with the leftovers at WR that may not start year one. In that case, nothing was accomplished. First few picks have to be players that they foresee as immediate contributors.

You guys do know we're taking a CB or ILB, right?

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

You guys do know we're taking a CB or ILB, right?

A CB over the top three WR's is just wrong. There are a lot of WR's, but there aren't a lot like the big three. I want to trade up for Simmons, who I guess is a LB, to aside from something like that, ugh.

You know I'm on the no 1st round WR train. I'd be fine with the Sooner at 15 if no OT or Kinlaw.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

You know I'm on the no 1st round WR train. I'd be fine with the Sooner at 15 if no OT or Kinlaw.

A cornerback on in a scheme that does not emphasize cover corner skill?

Kinlaw over the WRs is weird. We have enough help on the D-Line, and Kinlaw isn't a better player than Lamb or Jeudy, any is only arguably better than Ruggs. I know, I know, you're going to tell me how Kinlaw is clearly better than they are, I get it. Kinlaw is a beast. But, if any of the big three WR's are there, and we take a LB over them...

I could accept the scenario if the rumor is true that our WR big board differs from everyone else. So if Ruggs is there and Jeduy/Lamb are there, and we take J/L, sure. BUt if we take a LB not named Simmons over them, J/L better be off the board. Why? Because there is no way on God's Green Earth that either Kinlaw or the LSU/OKIE LB's are on as good and will make as big of an impact.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Personally, I prefer they make a draft choice based on what they know rather than what they think and feel. Otherwise, you end up drafting like the Raiders under Davis.

But...I'll reiterate again. If Thomas is available at 15 and the receivers are gone and you aren't convinced in Henderson and you cant trade back where you'd like too...then fine. But if James is healthy and Bolles continues to improve...then what?

You're picking at verbiage to detract from the premise. Everything in the draft process is speculative. Isaiah Simmons may end up being a bust. Jerry jeudy may end up blowing out his knee. You know what I'm saying. to a certain degree it's what you've seen on tape and your feel for the player via watching tape and interviews. you can apply the same thing to Garrett. Do you feel that he's going to be better? Do you feel that he's not going to be the most penalized left tackle in football? Because that definitely detracts from our ability to be efficient as an offense.

Originally Posted by Poet

A cornerback on in a scheme that does not emphasize cover corner skill?

Kinlaw over the WRs is weird. We have enough help on the D-Line, and Kinlaw isn't a better player than Lamb or Jeudy, any is only arguably better than Ruggs. I know, I know, you're going to tell me how Kinlaw is clearly better than they are, I get it. Kinlaw is a beast. But, if any of the big three WR's are there, and we take a LB over them...

I could accept the scenario if the rumor is true that our WR big board differs from everyone else. So if Ruggs is there and Jeduy/Lamb are there, and we take J/L, sure. BUt if we take a LB not named Simmons over them, J/L better be off the board. Why? Because there is no way on God's Green Earth that either Kinlaw or the LSU/OKIE LB's are on as good and will make as big of an impact.

People are referring to Kinlaw as a transcendent talent. Most people have him a higher grade than any of the receivers with the caveat that the knee is healthy. and I completely agree with you about corner. That's what made me feel more comfortable about AJ. You can get big corners in the middle rounds of this draft who will fit this defense perfectly. but you can't underestimate the importance of big athletic five techniques in fangio's front. Derek had a career year last year in this defense.the only way that I be super excited about drafting Marie or queen is if it's after we trade down to accrue more capital.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

You guys do know we're taking a CB or ILB, right?

Im down with LB or OT as my preferred positions of choice.

Originally Posted by Poet

A cornerback on in a scheme that does not emphasize cover corner skill?

Kinlaw over the WRs is weird. We have enough help on the D-Line, and Kinlaw isn't a better player than Lamb or Jeudy, any is only arguably better than Ruggs. I know, I know, you're going to tell me how Kinlaw is clearly better than they are, I get it. Kinlaw is a beast. But, if any of the big three WR's are there, and we take a LB over them...

I could accept the scenario if the rumor is true that our WR big board differs from everyone else. So if Ruggs is there and Jeduy/Lamb are there, and we take J/L, sure. BUt if we take a LB not named Simmons over them, J/L better be off the board. Why? Because there is no way on God's Green Earth that either Kinlaw or the LSU/OKIE LB's are on as good and will make as big of an impact.

If its just about skill and winning the SB now than Denver should just try and use all their draft picks (and maybe some future 1sts) to grab Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. Sort of like Dikta style with Williams. Then you all can be in heaven that we have an offense that we wont be able to hold onto in the long run but we can put up some stats boi!

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

You're picking at verbiage to detract from the premise. Everything in the draft process is speculative. Isaiah Simmons may end up being a bust. Jerry jeudy may end up blowing out his knee. You know what I'm saying. to a certain degree it's what you've seen on tape and your feel for the player via watching tape and interviews. you can apply the same thing to Garrett. Do you feel that he's going to be better? Do you feel that he's not going to be the most penalized left tackle in football? Because that definitely detracts from our ability to be efficient as an offense.

I guess it's just my opinion that if you are left saying, "I think Bolles might be better this year...but either way I have a feeling (insert OL name) would be even better than that"...then you are already in trouble. I'd feel much better if the staff said, "This is what I know about Bolles and his progress...and this is what I know some other guy will bring to the table in a best case scenario."

Is Bolles a bigger black hole than Patrick? Is Patrick a bigger black hole than Yiadom? Those are the questions that have to have answers on internally and then compare t to what they know about potential draft picks.

Again...just my amateur way of looking at things.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

You guys do know we're taking a CB or ILB, right?

Just depends on where the staff determines the most help is needed right away. If you had to dump a player in order at positions of need, would Davis and Bolles get dropped before Patrick and Yiadom? If so, then you have a plan. If not, then draft by priority combined with BPA

Ok, so we wont have a 1st round pick for the next 8 years and i BARELY missed getting Ruggs but i have you guys covered. No way we lose now.


2: R1P2
WR CEEDEE LAMB
OKLAHOMA


4: R1P4
WR JERRY JEUDY
ALABAMA


15: R1P15
WR TEE HIGGINS
CLEMSON


46: R2P14
WR K.J. HAMLER
PENN STATE


77: R3P13
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU


83: R3P19
WR K.J. HILL
OHIO STATE


95: R3P31
WR JOE REED
VIRGINIA


118: R4P12
WR ISAIAH WRIGHT
TEMPLE


178: R5P32
WR JOHN HIGHTOWER
BOISE STATE


181: R6P2
WR KALIJA LIPSCOMB
VANDERBILT


252: R7P38
WR DARNELL MOONEY
TULANE


254: R7P40
WR MARQUEZ CALLAWAY
TENNESSEE

How the **** did "we need a WR and a CB in the first 3 picks" turn into this lunacy? Good grief.

In fact, I may be wrong, but I don't recall any of the people preferring a WR ever saying OL should be ignored. It's just been listed as a preference. Sometimes without a valid argument, often times with one. I don't think anyone will care if it's Ruggs, Niang, Johnson...or Henderson, Raegor, Cleveland...or Thomas, Aiyuk, Pride...or any other combo. As long as needs are filled...people are happy.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

So again he may be an outlier. But if you have a guy that you feel is going to be a perennial starter at the left tackle position and you don't think that your guy has progressed the way he needs to why can't we take him? I've made reference in the past to Ryan clady. he wasn't even the top tackle in that draft class and I guarantee you playing in Hawkins offense at Boise State he wasn't running a ton of pro-set stuff. But at the same time it was a trait based selection. So we selected him based on the fact that he had great feet and was big and strong and he ended up starting for us and becoming an All-Pro. And by the way he started as a rookie I think gave up one sack that year.

So we have a perennial starter at LT.

Look at the actual cost. All of it:

Bolles' production outweighs his contact, which at this point is probably a bad deal for him. Even bad starting LT's get paid like LT's. Bolles is average.

So you throw away the investment you made on a decent LT, whose only improving, i.e. his value is never higher

And you then do what, draft a LT who is probably at their best not going to be a top flight LT. So the marginal improvement you can get in production costs Bolles and his sweet contract, a first round pick, the time you developed into Bolles, Bolles' now palpable improvement.

That's the issue. Buddy, if Anthony Munoz, the man who went the longest ever without giving up a sack, coming off of an ACL surgery, was on the board. If Walter Jones or Ogden were there? Oh **** yeah.

But that's now what we have. Andrews is limited physically. Willis has all kinds of issues in his game. Wirfs is going to be good, but not great and that's a big investment. In fact, the last time we invested a first rounder on a LT who wasn't surefire we got...Bolles...That's not an argument so much as it is an irony.

Someone is triggered.