Thread: 2020 NFL Draft

Originally Posted by Northman

There are many possibilities including trading Bolles if need be. Or, move one of them to another position on the line, etc. I just have a hard buying that the draft in general isnt a risk at all positions. Saying that the top 5-7 receivers are better than Patrick is just speculation and nothing more until they actually take the field. There is no guaranteed line of success with this stuff.

Yeah...except it's not like they are replacing an aging Emmanuel Sanders...or an oft-injured Alshon Jeffrey. That receiver would be replacing someone with 6 career starts, 39 career receptions and ONE career TD. We have a literal black hole at the #2 receiver spot and an even blacker hole at the #2 corner spot. That trumps a mediocre need at tackle. To me anyway.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Yeah...except it's not like they are replacing an aging Emmanuel Sanders...or an oft-injured Alshon Jeffrey. That receiver would be replacing someone with 6 career starts, 39 career receptions and ONE career TD. We have a literal black hole at the #2 receiver spot and an even blacker hole at the #2 corner spot. That trumps a mediocre need at tackle. To me anyway.

Well, you are taking numbers from when we had virtually no QB. I would like to see how those guys do with a full year under Lock. 5 games is a very small sample size in my opinion.

On a side note,

While im perfectly fine keeping both Patrick and Hamilton i find it interesting that Tim actually had more yds per catch than Hamilton all the while playing in 8 less games and with less targets.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/den/2019.htm

Originally Posted by Northman

Well, you are taking numbers from when we had virtually no QB. I would like to see how those guys do with a full year under Lock. 5 games is a very small sample size in my opinion.

Really? We need to see more of what Tim friggin Patrick brings to the table before adding talent at the position?

Ok...then I want to see how Bolles does with a full 16 games with a mobile QB.

Originally Posted by Northman

On a side note,

While im perfectly fine keeping both Patrick and Hamilton i find it interesting that Tim actually had more yds per catch than Hamilton all the while playing in 8 less games and with less targets.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/den/2019.htm

Targets and games played have no bearing on yards per catch.

Originally Posted by Northman

On a side note,

While im perfectly fine keeping both Patrick and Hamilton i find it interesting that Tim actually had more yds per catch than Hamilton all the while playing in 8 less games and with less targets.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/den/2019.htm

Umm...Because Hamilton is a slot receiver that runs underneath routes and Patrick plays outside.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Really? We need to see more of what Tim friggin Patrick brings to the table before adding talent at the position?

Ok...then I want to see how Bolles does with a full 16 games with a mobile QB.

Where did i say we dont need to take another WR? Now you are reaching.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Targets and games played have no bearing on yards per catch.

But it does have a bearing on how many touches said player gets.

Originally Posted by Northman

But it does have a bearing on how many touches said player gets.

Number of catches also has no bearing on yards per catch.

Originally Posted by Northman

Where did i say we dont need to take another WR? Now you are reaching.

I don't see how. You said you wanted to see what these guys could do under a full season of Lock. If Patrick is getting a full season under Lock, it is ONLY because we didn't draft someone to replace him. So...there is a reason scouts and pundits and even the team are prioritizing WR as a position of need for Denver...and that reason is called Tim Patrick. There simply isn't a world where we draft a receiver in the top 2 rounds and Patrick see the majority of snaps. If there is...we reached for a bad receiver.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I don't see how. You said you wanted to see what these guys could do under a full season of Lock. If Patrick is getting a full season under Lock, it is ONLY because we didn't draft someone to replace him. So...there is a reason scouts and pundits and even the team are prioritizing WR as a position of need for Denver...and that reason is called Tim Patrick. There simply isn't a world where we draft a receiver in the top 2 rounds and Patrick see the majority of snaps. If there is...we reached for a bad receiver.

In no world is there a rule that you cant draft a WR and yet keep the guys you have to compete for spots. I mean what the **** did you expect Patrick to have in 5 games with a rookie? LOL

Originally Posted by Northman

In no world is there a rule that you cant draft a WR and yet keep the guys you have to compete for spots. I mean what the **** did you expect Patrick to have in 5 games with a rookie? LOL

You can definitely keep the guys you have...but if you are drafting a receiver in a high round...there is a reason. If Patrick was worth anything, it wouldn't be a priority. So, yes...they'll keep him and he'll see the field in 4 receiver sets...maybe. That's assuming they don't double dip at the position as MANY people are predicting. But then again...why get 2 receivers in the draft if you think Patrick has anything of value? Hmmm...

ANd I didn't say I expected him to light the world on fire with Lock at QB. It just became VERY apparent that he was option #4 (#5 if you consider he had the same amount of receptions with Lock that Lindsay did). Can't imagine why that was. I mean...it's seriously ok to admit that the current #2 receiver just isn't all that good. Regardless of who the QB is.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

You can definitely keep the guys you have...but if you are drafting a receiver in a high round...there is a reason. If Patrick was worth anything, it wouldn't be a priority. So, yes...they'll keep him and he'll see the field in 4 receiver sets...maybe. That's assuming they don't double dip at the position as MANY people are predicting. But then again...why get 2 receivers in the draft if you think Patrick has anything of value? Hmmm...

ANd I didn't say I expected him to light the world on fire with Lock at QB. It just became VERY apparent that he was option #4 (#5 if you consider he had the same amount of receptions with Lock that Lindsay did). Can't imagine why that was. I mean...it's seriously ok to admit that the current #2 receiver just isn't all that good. Regardless of who the QB is.

And what if they dont take a receiver in the first 2 rounds? Does taking a guy in rounds 3-7 still mean they are a priority over anyone we have on the roster currently? Doubtful.

Originally Posted by Northman

And what if they dont take a receiver in the first 2 rounds? Does taking a guy in rounds 3-7 still mean they are a priority over anyone we have on the roster currently? Doubtful.

It would mean they didn't prioritize WR as a need. Which I HIGHLY doubt they are thinking right now. But I guess we'll see next weekend

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

It would mean they didn't prioritize WR as a need. Which I HIGHLY doubt they are thinking right now. But I guess we'll see next weekend

Most of what ive read still says they are looking for Oline help, i would guess if for whatever reason Denver trades up for a tackle people are going to lose their shit because its not the sexy pick. Will be interesting for sure what happens.