What should be done with him?
What should be done with him?
If he directs the coaches to play Lock as soon as he's eligible and he deals Harris and admits a rebuild, I'd give him one more chance to right things. If we stick with Flacco and he stubbornly acts like we're still trying to win now, I'm done with him.
I hated pretty much all his comments today though, and I'm not all that confident he'll do any of those things I listed. It's hard to admit, but it really might be just about time for him to go.
So I guess I'm somewhere between options 2 and 3 right now but inching ever so close to the first one.
The question is: Does Joe Ellis even have the power to fire Elway? With no owner in place, it's not totally clear. I think Ellis will be really slow to fire Elway given SB50 and given Bowlen hand-picked Elway to have that job...
Also, hypothetically speaking, if Ellis did fire Elway - do we trust him to pick the next guy? I assume they'd form some GM hiring committee of old time league insiders who Ellis is connected to, Tom Coughlin/Gary Kubiak types, to tell them who to hire next. I don't love that scenario either.
I think the job is probably his at least until the ownership situation is resolved or until he decides to step down.
Unfortunately, it seems like Elway is a dinosaur stuck in the past as to how football was in the 80s and 90s, got lucky having Manning fall into his lap, and now is refusing to adapt. I'd love to hire an analytically driven GM, get a young coach off the Reid/Peterson tree, and move into the future. We're basically going to be stuck trying dinosaur football as long as Elway is here I fear.
They hired Scangarello because he wa going to bring Shanny Jr updated WCO, if Elway is stuck in the 80’s and 90’s it’s because of the notion that 8-8 is an improvement in any way/shape/form.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
Sign Garbage Minshew.
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
Maybe, but I don't feel the grass is always greener. Those coaching trees come with their issues too. Analytic GMs have their failures too. There is a balance.
While these are hard times, Elway has notched 2 respectable drafts in a row. This is a GM that is growing, and one who has excelled with great draft position. This is quite possibly the WORST time to fire Elway.
I'm willing to give this coaching staff and Elway 2 seasons. If they don't make the playoffs next season, Elway and Fangio both should be fired.
Elway is a Broncos hero, but we need someone without a high likelihood of CTE/ALS symptoms (& the accompanying self-medication of the personality type) to guide the ship.
Maybe too harsh, but someone needs to say it--even if it's not 100% provable.
Love the dude. Concerned about the ship.
Results are in--Elway, minus Manning, after ten years is measurably a failure. You have to give him credit for the Manning years though.
Given the jacked up ownership situation, I hope he pulls it together. Like Buff said--given this trust structure, what's the alternative?
Originally Posted by Sting
You called the Flacco trade months before it happened. I thought it was insane, because it would likely be miserable. But you nailed down the thinking of JE, because you're smart as all hell. You called the shot....like a boss.
We got Flacco, and it's been miserable. What's more miserable is the restructure of Flacco's contract. We're basically married to him at this point. How is that, in and of itself, not firable given the futility before? Yeah, Elway is getting better, but does that mean his past drafts don't count? Some of the players we drafted that we thought were going to be studs from those classes haven't panned out, either.
I hate this argument. Lucky? Lucky? Like 3 teams wanted manning first of all. Have the people here thought he was done.
Next- elway literally went out and built the best offense the NFL has Ever seen!!! It got them to the sb but blown out.
When manning and the offense didnt work he went out and built one of the best defenses the NFL has ever seen literally after the following year.
That is not lucky. That is not even close to lucky and manning had NOTHING to do with the second part. That is a lazy argument people post because they seem to think every team just magically moves on from a HOF qb within 3 years.
Luck has nothing to do with it. That was all Elway the whole time. 100%. And not debatable.
The colts never had the best offense in nfl history. The colts never had one of the best defenses in nfl history. So dont retort with free agents coming here for peyton. Also another false and lazy argument.
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
As for Elway being gone. If we go into next season without a top qb from this draft or without knowing what we have in lock, then I will start that way myself. For now, we may have our qb. If so, then we know what Elway can build and quickly.
Lock this year/high qb draft pick this year will determine how he hangs on....I feel herbert so much and I dont know if I want him.
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
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