Thread: Elway

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Well you should!

I am not sure I would agree with that either.

Originally Posted by underrated29

I am not sure I would agree with that either.

Of course you are not suuuuurrrrrrrrrre. 99% agreement is good enough for me though.

Ok...what's on your mind? You think it's impossible to measure? Or do you think Elway would 'measure out' better than I project?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Of course you are not suuuuurrrrrrrrrre. 99% agreement is good enough for me though.

Ok...what's on your mind? You think it's impossible to measure? Or do you think Elway would 'measure out' better than I project?

Lock uses a yardstick to measure out.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Of course you are not suuuuurrrrrrrrrre. 99% agreement is good enough for me though.

Ok...what's on your mind? You think it's impossible to measure? Or do you think Elway would 'measure out' better than I project?

I think he will measure out better than you project

Originally Posted by underrated29

I think he will measure out better than you project

Well, after you provide your DT drops analysis, I'll knock out my Elway GM analysis. Deal?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Well, after you provide your DT drops analysis, I'll knock out my Elway GM analysis. Deal?

ive been thinking about that lately, actually. Maybe over the holidays if I get a break.

Originally Posted by slim

Lock uses a yardstick to measure out.

are you implying he has a yard long schlong?

Originally Posted by underrated29

ive been thinking about that lately, actually. Maybe over the holidays if I get a break.

not even einstein could compute all those drops

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

are you implying he has a yard long schlong?

No. I am far too mature to do something like that!!

Originally Posted by slim

No. I am far too mature to do something like that!!

Me too

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

not even einstein could compute all those drops

It actually was not the drops. It was the laying out for a ball, or lack thereof. And I am going to burn some peoples souls when I do it too.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Well, after you provide your DT drops analysis, I'll knock out my Elway GM analysis. Deal?

Originally Posted by underrated29

It actually was not the drops. It was the laying out for a ball, or lack thereof. And I am going to burn some peoples souls when I do it too.

I will wait for your analysis. that guy was a freaking warrior. He played through more injuries then any receiver we've ever had. He'll we drafted him hurt. he came back from an Achilles injury to become one of the most explosive and dominant wide receivers in the league.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Well you should!

I'm just going to reference 2013 and 2015. All of which are only 6 years ago. we have been spoiled as a fan base. We may not be New England and we may not be Dallas, but we are completely spoiled as a fan base. My job has lead to relationships in markets like Cincy and Detroit and Houston and SanDiego and Cleveland. Tell those guys how bad Elway is and youll get run out of town. Wins and SB appearances matter. Signing all time greats like Ware and Manning was all about jfe. There is no doubt that the draft was a challenge for him early but great leaders recognize their mistakes, acknowledge them and then figure out how to fix them. He's in arguably had two very solid draft the past two years. And again as my brother pointed out to me on Saturday there are four guys on this roster that could become consistent pro bowlers on the offensive side of the ball. if lock pans out make that five. So half of your offensive roster could potentially be perennial pro bowlers. then you go to the other side of the ball. Chubb will be a perennial pro bowler. Von Miller obviously is a perennial pro bowler. Derek Wolfe is a guy that reporters from other teams have objectively said is the person that makes everything work on the back end. Chris Harris is a top corner in the league. Justin Simmons to this point and many people don't know this is one of the top three rated safeties in the league this year. Will parks. And you have to give a guy credit for signing guys like Kareem Jackson. Vance Joseph and the draft overall for about 5 years set this team back. But he'll what he has done everything he can to rectify that.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

Signing all time greats like Ware and Manning was all about jfe.

Great post amigo. I'm going to single this out and go from here.

First thing--I love Elway. I hope everyone can distinguish criticism from what, from others--no names but rhymes with Cugel--might seem like contempt.

Even Kubiak benched Manning. It's a competitive endeavor and everyone invites criticism when they enter the ring. More power to him. I'm a keyboard warrior here.

Having said that, it's fair to measure and be critical.

Elway pulled Manning, I believe that. Like complementary mesons or something--weird singularities of greatness with a supreme fire and competitiveness...there was an understanding and respect.

Elway pulled Ware....maybe. I'd say it was a mix of Elway, Von, Manning, and the understanding that greatness was afoot. Not to take away from Elway, but I'm taking away from Elway. He gets credit, but he has to share with the other supermassive objects that were swirling in his orbit.

So that's a real thing--but it's not the only thing. If being a GM was all about vision, identity, mutual respect among greats--he has no peer. But the skill of attracting a Manning might not be repeatable--in spite of any desire Elway might have to play to his strengths. There just aren't any more Mannings out there.

Ok, Eli, sure. But ... you know.

Elway has done a bunch of great stuff, but there have also been a lot of decisions that have (in hindsight) hurt the franchise. He got a big one right--attracting and recruiting Manning. All credit, mad props--we are indeed spoiled.

But it's fair game to grade the rest of his decisions. Instead of grading his presence, let's grade his decisions....see how he does. My gut is that his legacy as a nitty-gritty GM will be tied to how the org does with Lock and Scangarello. Fangio is kind of a neutral pH if that makes sense. Steady Eddie (I think VJ is like this as well, reliant on a big brain nearby to excel, but is good at making sure the kids get to bed on time and don't beat each other up too much).

I'd like to go through this exercise and gain consensus on how to properly evaluate a GM--gain consensus on the right 'formula' to use. And then, no idea how it will turn out, run that formula to see how he stacks up.

Right this moment, with Lock seeming to be a legit QBOTF--an elite one, perhaps--Elway once again looks ascendant. We'll see. We are still in excited dog-peeing uncontrollably at owner's return mode.