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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    Fangio will retard Lock's development for two reasons. One, he's not an offensive coach, so that asset isn't available to Lock. Two, he thought Scangs was a worthy OC, so he clearly isn't a judge of talent. Unless there's a surefire can't miss OC available and we bag it, he's going to **** it up again most likely.
    I'm not sure what's up with Scags.....I didn't see that coming for sure....but he is our 3rd 3 OC that was well respected in NFL circles, even if he is new to the job...perhaps the players and QB are truly the issue....I wont say your wrong, but for me....I'm just not there on Fangio yet. Your also not wrong in the fact we need a QB coach or OC that will be key to developing Lock.....That is another key component to our rebuild.....
    Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan

    Draft
    RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
    RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
    RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
    RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
    RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
    RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St

    FA
    1. With what money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    Solving the “where to draft a QB” debate once and for all
    By James Merilatt
    October 17, 2019 at 1:45 pm Total QBs Picked in rounds 2-4 Since 2009: 41
    Number of QBs with a Winning Record: 8
    Percentage of QBs with a Winning Record: 20%

    Stars of the Group
    Russell Wilson (2012 | No. 75) = 80-37-1
    Jimmy Garoppolo (2014 | No. 62) = 13-2

    Flops of the Group
    DeShone Kizer (2017 | No. 52) = 0-15
    Cody Kessler (2016 | No. 93) = 2-10

    The Mike Glennon /Mitch Trubisky Doctrine,” promotes taking a quarterback in the first round, so long as it’s not with a pick in the 20s.

    Total QBs Picked Since 2009: 28
    Number of QBs with a Winning Record: 12
    Percentage of QBs with a Winning Record: 43%

    Stars of the Group
    Patrick Mahomes (2017 | No. 10) = 17-6
    Jared Goff (2016 | No. 1) = 27-17

    Flops of the Group
    Blake Bortles (2014 | No. 3) = 24-49
    Blaine Gabbert (2011 | No. 10) = 13-35

    Just because we got Lock in Rd 2 by nature of how the draft fell does not mean he is or will be a bust......he should get at least 2 years here before we decide to move on.....we cant afford to waste a pick at QB in the top ten, without knowing what he is or rebuilding our OL the right way....
    Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan

    Draft
    RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
    RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
    RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
    RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
    RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
    RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St

    FA
    1. With what money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis View Post
    Everyone thought scangs was a good hire, including you

    He was young, worked with Kyle S, ran the system as mcvey, got a lot out of very little with the 49ers back up qbs

    The bengals and the cardinals both hired young offensive coaches and both are terrible too

    It’s ok to be mad because we are fans but we need to stay rational and objective
    I thought I was getting contemporary innovation, not listless reconfiguration.

    The Cardinals are 3-3, have energy, and Kyler Murray is having a fine rookie season, on a team that wasn't selling itself as a contender.

    I am rational and objective in my own eyes. And that's because I'm fairly I'm correct! But that doesn't mean any presupposition is correct! As such, I can only say that your post is appreciate and duly noted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    I thought I was getting contemporary innovation, not listless reconfiguration.

    The Cardinals are 3-3, have energy, and Kyler Murray is having a fine rookie season, on a team that wasn't selling itself as a contender.

    I am rational and objective in my own eyes. And that's because I'm fairly I'm correct! But that doesn't mean any presupposition is correct! As such, I can only say that your post is appreciate and duly noted!
    We should have kept Keenum, worked in Lock after benching Keenum and sold a rebuild.....we all would be a lot more happy right now.....
    Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan

    Draft
    RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
    RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
    RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
    RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
    RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
    RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St

    FA
    1. With what money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation inc View Post
    We should have kept Keenum, worked in Lock after benching Keenum and sold a rebuild.....we all would be a lot more happy right now.....
    We never should have signed Keenum. It was one of the worst free agent signings in NFL history. A guy barely fit to be a backup QB paid solid QB starter money. JE really does owe us an apology for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    I thought I was getting contemporary innovation!
    That’s my point. We all did.

    If we had future vision I doubt we would have even interviewed him. But we didn’t

    Same with fangio.... great hire on paper.

    Retrospectively critiquing apparently good decisions is not helpful

    VJ was a terrible hire at the time. Everyone could see that. This year is not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis View Post
    we need to stay rational and objective
    Lol

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    Just use this year's 7+ draft picks to draft all O-lineman, we have to be able to hit on one of them.

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    1. I think Fangio will become a great long time broncos coach, some rookie mistakes but hes growing

    2. im not sold on scrangrello at all, we see game after game where we just struggle to do anything and a big part of that is play selection
    on the other hand, we stuck him with a horrible oline, a supposed answer to our RT woes has been milking getting kicked for weeks, which means we cant simply slide bolles some help because wilks sucks at blocking even worse than bolles
    the we compound that with a statue...the ultimate pocket sloth QB in flacco, who although I don't blame previous loses on him...completely sucked on Thursday, he couldn't escape a paper bag, cannot step into the pocket, has zero pocket awareness, and apparently cannot read a defense for shit

    what plays can scrangs call to make that look good??

    3. im all for playing Allen while we pull Lock off IR, whats the worst thing that can happen?...our offense cant suck much worse, who cares at this point, at least we might get a little QB pocket movement, a rushing first down or two
    and after a couple weeks we can watch Lock...we should know whether we drafting a qb again or fixing this lousy line

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    I don't have time for the Broncos right now. The World Series starts tomorrow and the Avs are 7-0-1.
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    Fangio has done nothing to convince me he’s a shitty coach. In fact he has shown a lot of the right demeanor and thinking to be a good coach. It’s just not going to be overnight. I’m still optimistic with him and of course our OL coach. Coach’s need to build their team. I’m in for giving him 3 years 3 drafts and 3 FA off seasons.
    Skangs doesn’t seem to be calling it right but we have no clue if it’s him or Flacco or talent or all of the above. Ready or not lock has to play this year.
    We re going to suck until the qb problem is solved. End of Story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SR View Post
    I don't have time for the Broncos right now. The World Series starts tomorrow and the Avs are 7-0-1.
    That's why I'm in full blown NBA mode. At least the Sixers should win

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    Quote Originally Posted by SR View Post
    I don't have time for the Broncos right now. The World Series starts tomorrow and the Avs are 7-0-1.
    You're an Astro fan now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    You're an Astro fan now?
    I had a big baseball hiatus for many years. As a kid in AZ I started following the D-Backs when they started up, but I grew up in a family that was all Reds (see: Adopted Bronco). After I left for the military I stopped following baseball and grew to dislike it. Once I moved here in 2015 I started casually watching the Astros, went to a few games (the first game I went to was against Mo's Royals in the playoffs), and just gradually became a legitimate fan during the 2016 season. I've really, really grown to love the game again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis View Post
    That’s my point. We all did.

    If we had future vision I doubt we would have even interviewed him. But we didn’t

    Same with fangio.... great hire on paper.

    Retrospectively critiquing apparently good decisions is not helpful

    VJ was a terrible hire at the time. Everyone could see that. This year is not that.
    People liked the hire because it was defense and an older guy.

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