Thread: Practice / press conference notes - week 7 (Chiefs week)

Originally Posted by Nomad

Inc’s dislike for Flacco reminds me of when I disliked Cutler.

Cutler was a avg QB as well so your dislike is warranted...

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Sorry Inc, I had to stop taking your posts on Flacco seriously when you started comparing him to Tebow. That's easily the dumbest thing you have said about Flacco. It's pretty clear that your hate for him is clouding any sort of objective judgement on his play.

Also, stop it with this stupid strawmam "Where is this super bowl MVP in his prime we were promised" argument. Literally no one has claimed that's what we were getting/that's what he was expected to be.

You must have missed all those comments this summer from posters then about he is a solid QB 1 with a good arm, throws a deep ball will be a big upgrade....etc...I didn’t in fact I’m pretty much said he would be exactly what he has been through 6 games....subpar.....it sucks watching such crap QB play year in and year out...I just refuse to put on some blinders to how sub par he truly is....

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Last five Elev posts: [I hate Flacco. Offense sucks.]

Hey, dude can stay on message and on-brand like no other! Like Joel and the run game.

Your wrong my last post before this was that Flacco would throw a TD to Jano on a 3 yd checkdown...lol

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

The likelihood of a defense scoring against us is rather high with our current QB and the nature of how the offense disappears. Once teams stop our run game, were pretty much f'ed. It is so reminiscent of what we did in 2011, run as much as we can and hope for a couple pass plays with sub par QB.....

For those that can’t read I didn’t actually compare Tebow and Flacco simply alluded to similarities between offensive performance. The good news is we are winning with 16 and 20 points instead of 10 and 13.....

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Last five Elev posts: [I hate Flacco. Offense sucks.]

Hey, dude can stay on message and on-brand like no other! Like Joel and the run game.

Nothing incorrect with what I posted either FYI....

Originally Posted by VonDoom

We need that, if James can go well and be effective that might be another good boost for the run game...

KC is so banged up. We could not have possibly caught them at a better time.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

You must have missed all those comments this summer from posters then about he is a solid QB 1 with a good arm, throws a deep ball will be a big upgrade....etc...I didn’t in fact I’m pretty much said he would be exactly what he has been through 6 games....subpar.....it sucks watching such crap QB play year in and year out...I just refuse to put on some blinders to how sub par he truly is....

I don't think Flacco has been sub-par at all. I think he's been pretty good. He's had a few bad throws and his stats don't jump off the page, but the team hasn't lost because of Flacco. He's been good. He does have a great arm. He throws a great deep ball. He's smart, doesn't take a lot of bad sacks, doesn't turn the ball over, and doesn't make a ton of bad throws. He's the best QB not named Manning that this team has had since Jake Plummer...like it or not.

Flacco is Alex Smith 2.0, but with less mobility and a better deep ball.

He's going to manage the game. He's going to limit your downside... And he has a really capped upside and has almost zero improvisation skills when the play breaks down.

He's simultaneously the least of our problems and a mild concern.

Originally Posted by SR

I don't think Flacco has been sub-par at all. I think he's been pretty good. He's had a few bad throws and his stats don't jump off the page, but the team hasn't lost because of Flacco. He's been good. He does have a great arm. He throws a great deep ball. He's smart, doesn't take a lot of bad sacks, doesn't turn the ball over, and doesn't make a ton of bad throws. He's the best QB not named Manning that this team has had since Jake Plummer...like it or not.

I think your assessment of Flacco is based on his reputation and/or the guy he was five or six years ago. I always hear that he’s a great deep ball thrower, but that’s not really his game anymore. Just watching the games this year should show you this. His ANY/A is 5.76, good for 22nd out of 34 qualifying QB’s. As for the other things you mention here, his interception rate is 23rd out of 33 and his sack percentage is 21st out of 34. In other words, he is who we thought he was – below average.

Again, my issue isn’t really Flacco, per se. It’s the idea that we think we can bring in mediocre or worse veteran QB’s and pay them as if they’re quality starters. There are two realistic paths to success in the NFL nowadays – 1) get a good QB on a rookie deal and use the cap savings to bolster other areas on your team (which is hopefully what we will do with Lock – that’s why it’s imperative that he plays sooner rather than later) and 2) have a full fledged superstar, game changing QB making full QB money, and figure that you always have a chance because you have that guy. Hard to come by, of course, and with any luck, option 1 leads to option 2 eventually. Otherwise, you have to keep trying. Flacco is neither of these things (and neither was Keenum) so we’re just treading water until we move on.

Originally Posted by VonDoom

I think your assessment of Flacco is based on his reputation and/or the guy he was five or six years ago. I always hear that he’s a great deep ball thrower, but that’s not really his game anymore. Just watching the games this year should show you this. His ANY/A is 5.76, good for 22nd out of 34 qualifying QB’s. As for the other things you mention here, his interception rate is 23rd out of 33 and his sack percentage is 21st out of 34. In other words, he is who we thought he was – below average.

Again, my issue isn’t really Flacco, per se. It’s the idea that we think we can bring in mediocre or worse veteran QB’s and pay them as if they’re quality starters. There are two realistic paths to success in the NFL nowadays – 1) get a good QB on a rookie deal and use the cap savings to bolster other areas on your team (which is hopefully what we will do with Lock – that’s why it’s imperative that he plays sooner rather than later) and 2) have a full fledged superstar, game changing QB making full QB money, and figure that you always have a chance because you have that guy. Hard to come by, of course, and with any luck, option 1 leads to option 2 eventually. Otherwise, you have to keep trying. Flacco is neither of these things (and neither was Keenum) so we’re just treading water until we move on.

The hidden downside of Flacco is the opportunity cost. You're paying him a ton of money to be average, which prevents building depth in other areas --- and his skillset is limited at this stage, so even in the best case scenario, you're getting slightly above average QB play and hoping to hit in every other phase of the game.

So basically, what you said - just worded differently.

Originally Posted by VonDoom

I think your assessment of Flacco is based on his reputation and/or the guy he was five or six years ago. I always hear that he’s a great deep ball thrower, but that’s not really his game anymore. Just watching the games this year should show you this. His ANY/A is 5.76, good for 22nd out of 34 qualifying QB’s. As for the other things you mention here, his interception rate is 23rd out of 33 and his sack percentage is 21st out of 34. In other words, he is who we thought he was – below average.

It's unfair to pin those stats on solely Flacco. How many of his picks were bad routes or tipped passes? Are the short throws a result of not having enough time to throw? Are the sacks due to injuries and bad offensive line play/assignment execution? It isn't just "these are the stats and it's all his doing".

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

KC is so banged up. We could not have possibly caught them at a better time.

I hope we drop 220 rushing yds and 4 rushing tds on them....just downright own em, so then when our QB and Wr’s account for 14 passes it won’t matter cause we just made KC our biatch lol....

Originally Posted by VonDoom

I think your assessment of Flacco is based on his reputation and/or the guy he was five or six years ago. I always hear that he’s a great deep ball thrower, but that’s not really his game anymore. Just watching the games this year should show you this. His ANY/A is 5.76, good for 22nd out of 34 qualifying QB’s. As for the other things you mention here, his interception rate is 23rd out of 33 and his sack percentage is 21st out of 34. In other words, he is who we thought he was – below average.

Again, my issue isn’t really Flacco, per se. It’s the idea that we think we can bring in mediocre or worse veteran QB’s and pay them as if they’re quality starters. There are two realistic paths to success in the NFL nowadays – 1) get a good QB on a rookie deal and use the cap savings to bolster other areas on your team (which is hopefully what we will do with Lock – that’s why it’s imperative that he plays sooner rather than later) and 2) have a full fledged superstar, game changing QB making full QB money, and figure that you always have a chance because you have that guy. Hard to come by, of course, and with any luck, option 1 leads to option 2 eventually. Otherwise, you have to keep trying. Flacco is neither of these things (and neither was Keenum) so we’re just treading water until we move on.

Good post and well said. Wish I had the patience to be more eloquent in my post when it comes to flacco....but I don’t.....