Thread: Who should get the most blame for the Broncos 0-3 start?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

It’s not because it’s rigged. It’s because this is a bad football team.

Good teams steamroll the many iffy calls a season will present.

Bad teams can't handle a single one.

I blame wave. He didn't get on my pike quick enough or for long enough.

We will try again next week.

Maybe then the fictional gods will favour our team

I'm disappointed in the defense. I expected more there, but it's not their fault. Our offense does just enough good to give you hope right before breaking your heart. Honestly the whole time is right on that line. The coach is responsible for bringing everything together, so the fault lies with him. Hopefully he can make this team mesh better in the future, but it's sad to watch.

Remember when McDaniels was 6-0 and a bunch of people thought he was the messiah? Maybe this is just the backwards version?

Pudge!!!!!!

there has prolly never been a coach in vons life that told him not to rush the passer 90% of the time.

Rigged? Last week maybe the Chicago game I can see. Bears win by 2, push, Vegas amd house wins no matter who bet Den or Chi.

the fact Shaq Barret leads the nfl in sacks shows a critical problem at knowing who to keep on the roster. 4 sacks in 1 game.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I blame wave. He didn't get on my pike quick enough or for long enough.

We will try again next week.

Maybe then the fictional gods will favour our team

I'll do better next time!

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I'll do better next time!

This contrition rings false.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I think the problem is deeper than that. Elway doesn't own the Broncos. He's been a mixed bag and worthy of criticism. He also won a championship with Manning and built a solid roster. Firing Fox was bold but correct. It's complicated when it comes to Elway.

I put down 'other' because there is no easy answer. If it's any one thing, it's lack of vision and leadership at the top. This trust structure/uncertainty/fiduciary mother-may-I bullshit almost always results in half-assery. When you are looking over your shoulder because the very real threat of litigation has you covering your ass with procedure and protocol instead of flying loose with a ******* fur coat and mirror aviators, you are aiming straight at 8-8.

Fangio is ok, but for the life of me I don't understand why he's not using his playmakers to create more disruption. He should be in the box. I don't think the transition from DC/DB coach to HC/DC has been great. They need to be in their old roles. In time they will get the hang of it but right now it's not great. Things take time and they are new.

Scangs is ok, but he needs to figure out how to turn more of these trips to the red zone into 7's.

Flacco is ok, better than we've had at the position in a while.

Scouting and drafting have been very poor until recently, but it seems better...perhaps...Fant, Lock, Risner, and Dremont...Risner looks the part, but we don't know about the others yet. And even last year's class...Chubb and Sutton were solid picks, and Lindsay was a great FA find. But the contributions from Elway's draft selections have been quite mediocre.

I don't like change as a solution because we don't really understand the problem, and that seems like what they did with VJ. Sure, VJ wasn't the next mastermind HC like they hoped, but he also wasn't the problem.

The problem is doing a bad job at building and sustaining an effective offensive system and personnel to effectuate it.

No continuity at QB.
Inability to find adequate OL in draft or FA.
Discontinuity of offensive system for learning and honing and mastering.
Inadequate use of technology to accelerate mental mastery.

Elway knew Manning was a good QB and went all-in. That was easy--it was just a matter of Manning's health.

But when you don't know the QB quantity--when you don't understand that a Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahommes is a QBOTF--you don't get to win your division. Elway is bad at that, and we aren't winning our division. In addition, we are sticking with obvious losers like Osweiler and Lynch instead of making a concerted effort to find and develop a young QB like Sloter (who probably sucks as much if not more, but still).

I like the move to draft Lock and hope he and Scangs can grow together into something to rival what KC has going on now.

Elway re-upping Flacco is a bit odd, but I think they maintain roster flexibility. Flacco can play QB1 in this league.

tl;dr -- Wave.

Solid write up but i just disagree, i think it is easier than that. Elway knows what the issue is but he keeps trying to ride the fence of what the organization should do at this moment. Either we are all in to win championship "now" or we are rebuilding. Doing both simply does not work and it has created not only a dysfunction within the team but in the coaching ranks as well. If Fangio is going to be our guy than picking up Flacco was a mistake and we should be grooming Lock (or pick your QB here) to take his lumps and get the necessary experience and learn on the job along with the coach. But you are basically telling the team and fans one thing while doing something else. You have admitted that Elway is dropping the ball on the QB position, well thats bad if you are trying to build a new legacy so why would you stick with a guy who doesnt get it? Its not like John has never played the position before or knows how it works. Since Manning retired we are where we are because John has made some bad choices, the whole TE thing is also baffling, Noah sucks major balls and was a wasted pick in my opinion. I was willing to give John some time but now its just him rehashing the same mistakes over and over.

Other. O-line and D-line are where everything starts and ends and we continue to have issues.

This is one of those rare times at 0-3 when you can actually say that as bad as everything seems - it's actually much, much worse under the surface.

This team hasn't hit rock bottom yet. While the rest of the league was going with young offensive innovators to lead their teams - we went with the old school defensive specialist. We look like the league has left us behind.

While other teams took the time to rebuild with young QBs, we've tried to catch lightning in a bottle with other castoffs.

We are 2-3 years away from being able to even play on the same field as Patrick Mahomes - and that's only if we acknowledge that the rebuild starts ASAP, and we quit with the bullshit half measures -- start trading away vets, and taking our lumps so that this team can have the hope of a brighter future.

Elway deserves much of the blame - but until we have an owner to hold him accountable - we have to do the best we can with him. He's not going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Buff

This is one of those rare times at 0-3 when you can actually say that as bad as everything seems - it's actually much, much worse under the surface.

This team hasn't hit rock bottom yet. While the rest of the league was going with young offensive innovators to lead their teams - we went with the old school defensive specialist. We look like the league has left us behind.

While other teams took the time to rebuild with young QBs, we've tried to catch lightning in a bottle with other castoffs.

We are 2-3 years away from being able to even play on the same field as Patrick Mahomes - and that's only if we acknowledge that the rebuild starts ASAP, and we quit with the bullshit half measures -- start trading away vets, and taking our lumps so that this team can have the hope of a brighter future.

Elway deserves much of the blame - but until we have an owner to hold him accountable - we have to do the best we can with him. He's not going anywhere.

Nailed it.

Originally Posted by Northman

Solid write up but i just disagree, i think it is easier than that. Elway knows what the issue is but he keeps trying to ride the fence of what the organization should do at this moment. Either we are all in to win championship "now" or we are rebuilding. Doing both simply does not work and it has created not only a dysfunction within the team but in the coaching ranks as well. If Fangio is going to be our guy than picking up Flacco was a mistake and we should be grooming Lock (or pick your QB here) to take his lumps and get the necessary experience and learn on the job along with the coach. But you are basically telling the team and fans one thing while doing something else. You have admitted that Elway is dropping the ball on the QB position, well thats bad if you are trying to build a new legacy so why would you stick with a guy who doesnt get it? Its not like John has never played the position before or knows how it works. Since Manning retired we are where we are because John has made some bad choices, the whole TE thing is also baffling, Noah sucks major balls and was a wasted pick in my opinion. I was willing to give John some time but now its just him rehashing the same mistakes over and over.

The vibe I get from this post is that Elway doesn't know how to read the temperature of the team. He's in perma-championship mode and can't shut it down even though it's clear to the rest of us (perhaps with hindsight) we needed to take some lumps and develop young talent, find the right staff, for the best chance of the dynasty-like dominance. He has a flaw--he can't acknowledge the possibility things are much worse than his aspirational version of the team.

You disagree with me because I'm coming in from a different angle--I'm saying it's more about lack of vision from ownership. My theory doesn't explain Elway's personal flaws which have lead us here.

Did I get it right?

Originally Posted by Buff

This is one of those rare times at 0-3 when you can actually say that as bad as everything seems - it's actually much, much worse under the surface.

This team hasn't hit rock bottom yet. While the rest of the league was going with young offensive innovators to lead their teams - we went with the old school defensive specialist. We look like the league has left us behind.

While other teams took the time to rebuild with young QBs, we've tried to catch lightning in a bottle with other castoffs.

We are 2-3 years away from being able to even play on the same field as Patrick Mahomes - and that's only if we acknowledge that the rebuild starts ASAP, and we quit with the bullshit half measures -- start trading away vets, and taking our lumps so that this team can have the hope of a brighter future.

Elway deserves much of the blame - but until we have an owner to hold him accountable - we have to do the best we can with him. He's not going anywhere.

Yeah, they have to stop attempting to plugging leaks with gum. It just isn't working. Commit to rebuilding the team.