Thread: The schematic problems on the defense

MO got skills.

Originally Posted by Jaded

MO got skills.

MO is the best of us.

A lot of work went into this thread.

I applaud.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

A lot of work went into this thread.

I applaud.

MO is the best.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

MO is the best.

You da best

MO!

I need an updated take on Fangio's 'Bend and then Break' defense that gives up the ass to JAX.

Or is it still pretty much exactly what we've seen the first three games without any wrinkles?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

MO!

I need an updated take on Fangio's 'Bend and then Break' defense that gives up the ass to JAX.

Or is it still pretty much exactly what we've seen the first three games without any wrinkles?

To be honest, I don’t really feel like watching the All-22, but maybe when it’s available Tuesday. I didn’t see too much off hand. They’ve pretty much prescribed to that five man front and playing corners off. They blitzed a couple times, mostly in predictable spots and got beat. Corners still play off, which is apparently a staple of his “attacking” defense. I’m baffled at his rep as a defensive guru. I really am. I do wonder about the talent at DT and MLB, and wonder if that’s the key to the scheme? I don’t know. It sucks.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

To be honest, I don’t really feel like watching the All-22, but maybe when it’s available Tuesday. I didn’t see too much off hand. They’ve pretty much prescribed to that five man front and playing corners off. They blitzed a couple times, mostly in predictable spots and got beat. Corners still play off, which is apparently a staple of his “attacking” defense. I’m baffled at his rep as a defensive guru. I really am. I do wonder about the talent at DT and MLB, and wonder if that’s the key to the scheme? I don’t know. It sucks.

I wonder if 'special' MLB is some magical key ingredient to his defense. The two years he's had elite results as a DC could be attributed to personnel rather than scheme:

2011, SFO, Overall defense 2d in points, 4th in yards, 1st in takeaways. Key players - N. Bowman, P. Willis, J. Smith, A. Smith, D. Goldson. 1st year as DC with J. Harbs as HC taking over from Singletary.
2012, SFO, Overall ranks about the same, fewer takeaways. Same personnel.
2013, SFO, same ranks (approx) same personnel, except Reid in at FS instead of D. Goldson.
2014--SFO, some regression, 10th in points, 5th in yards, lost Bowman and Willis + Aldon Smith both only played 6 games

Testing out the hypothesis of personnel dependence: let's look at the jump between 2017 CHI and 2018 CHI. Big jump in defensive statistical rankings. 2017-->#10 defense, 2018-->#1 defense.

2017 personnel: this is weird because they only had 3(!) sixteen-game starters on defense--Kyle Fuller (CB), Eddie Jackson (S), and Akiem Hicks (DE). Holy crap did you know Hicks is listed at 352# DE? Two others who played 12 games: Prince Amuka and Danny T.

Anyhoo...

2018 personnel:

Roquan Smith, rookie, plays 16 games and leads team in tackles. 5 sacks and some PD's too. Not bad.
Danny T plays all 16 games.
Hicks, Jackson, and Fuller play all 16 again this year, with two of them getting All Pro nods and all 3 making the pro bowl (none made a pro bowl the previous year)
The obvious big addition was K. Mack.

So no key ingredient departed after 2017, but they added Roquan Smith and Khalil Mack. In addition, they got 14-16 games from all their key defensive starters, unlike 2017.

In conclusion...he's had his best years when his off-the-line LBs are great against the run but are also great in coverage...

I think he needs his Bowman/Willis or his Roquan/Trevathan for the magic to happen.

So....Broncos should of went with Devin Bush?

Originally Posted by Nomad

So....Broncos should of went with Devin Bush?

Was Mosley never an option? Looking at some FA misses, it feels like we should have Mosley, Whitworth, and Calais Campbell on the roster...and maybe we could have.

Or is my salary cap math way off?

How has Bush done so far for Pitt?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Was Mosley never an option? Looking at some FA misses, it feels like we should have Mosley, Whitworth, and Calais Campbell on the roster...and maybe we could have.

Not sure. I was high on a MLB this past draft. Time will tell if it all works out with how the 2019 draft went.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Was Mosley never an option? Looking at some FA misses, it feels like we should have Mosley, Whitworth, and Calais Campbell on the roster...and maybe we could have.

Mosley is so overpaid he's no longer an asset to a team. Campbell might not have signed because of the tax in Florida, or lack thereof, but he might have if Elway matched Jaguars...it was two million more or so a year...we rolled over Ward's salary that season. Whitworth continues to be a top three, at worst LT, in football and the fact we missed on him is what hurts the most. And no, not just because he was my favorite player on another team...look at his contract and production. GDI.

Campbell would have been worth a win, and we needed just one more to hit the playoffs with Kubes last ride. If he was on the team now our D-Line pressure would be brutal, and he's a hoss against the run. Missing on him via lowballing him was not on-brand for Elway.

Originally Posted by Nomad

Not sure. I was high on a MLB this past draft. Time will tell if it all works out with how the 2019 draft went.

I remember D. White was big on your radar and I was cool with that...he's a Buc now?

Found this about D. Bush:

Pittsburgh Steelers rookie Devin Bush is showing why the team drafted him No. 10 overall.

The linebacker had another big game Sunday, recovering two fumbles and finishing with a team-high 11 tackles in a 24-20 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.

Bush leads 0-3 Pittsburgh with 40 tackles through three games.

Getting gashed for however many rushing yards tells me that we are soft up the middle, personnel wise.

Originally Posted by King87

Mosley is so overpaid he's no longer an asset to a team. Campbell might not have signed because of the tax in Florida, or lack thereof, but he might have if Elway matched Jaguars...it was two million more or so a year...we rolled over Ward's salary that season. Whitworth continues to be a top three, at worst LT, in football and the fact we missed on him is what hurts the most. And no, not just because he was my favorite player on another team...look at his contract and production. GDI.

Campbell would have been worth a win, and we needed just one more to hit the playoffs with Kubes last ride. If he was on the team now our D-Line pressure would be brutal, and he's a hoss against the run. Missing on him via lowballing him was not on-brand for Elway.

Mosley might be a money vacuum for the JEST, but I dare you to add up Menelik + Stephenson + Cravens + Ju'wan + Bryce...and say we have done better by avoiding that contract.