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    Drew Lock should have no barring on whether or not they draft a better QB prospect.

    If the Broncos went into 2020 season with Flacco, Lock and Tua l will cry tears of pure joy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    Drew Lock should have no barring on whether or not they draft a better QB prospect.

    If the Broncos went into 2020 season with Flacco, Lock and Tua l will cry tears of pure joy.
    Lock and Tua yes, Flacco no....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    Drew Lock should have no barring on whether or not they draft a better QB prospect.

    If the Broncos went into 2020 season with Flacco, Lock and Tua l will cry tears of pure joy.
    Of joy? Lol.

    The Broncos front office is stupid enough to draft Tua or Lawrence and start Flacco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    Of joy? Lol.

    The Broncos front office is stupid enough to draft Tua or Lawrence and start Flacco.
    Actually, Elway is stupid enough to not draft a QB, start Flacco, and sit Lock for this year and the next two years.

    That is actually the plan. In John Elway's mind, Drew Lock is his backup QB, and is never intended to start until Flacco retires like Peyton did.

    Ie he's Brock Osweiler - although they hope he'll do better than Osweiler, he's essentially Osweiler. Drafted in the mid second round like Osweiler. Intended to sit for several seasons behind a veteran QB like Osweiler. Scheduled to come in and do his job if Flacco is hurt, but then they will go back to Flacco baring some miracle.

    That's their plan.

    Don't ask me whether it's a good plan.

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    BTW: After the 2020 draft and all the hype about whether the Broncos will use their top 10 pick to move up and draft a top rated QB prospect, and then they don't do it and trade down instead and get a LT or DT or ILB or CB, Elway will be asked "why didn't you draft a QB?"

    And he will say "we already have a backup QB in Drew Lock and we felt that we needed to go in a different direction. [Insert Player Name] was available and we had him rated very highly on our board, so we didn't feel like we could pass on that opportunity to draft a couple of players we felt could come in and help our roster."

    Unstated in all this will be the statement: "We don't care what the fans think. Joe Flacco is our starting QB and we're happy with his performance."

    You are hearing that this season already are you not? "It's not Joe Flacco's fault."

    Joe actually has played pretty well considering that #72 is holding and stalling out two or three drives a game.

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    Lock can be traded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazam! View Post
    Lock can be traded.
    Why would they trade him? You mean if they draft a top 5 QB? Don't hold your breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    Drew Lock should have no barring on whether or not they draft a better QB prospect.

    If the Broncos went into 2020 season with Flacco, Lock and Tua l will cry tears of pure joy.


    Is tua that much better than Lock?
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Quote Originally Posted by underrated29 View Post
    Is tua that much better than Lock?
    fook yes!
    “When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
    fook yes!
    Really?
    Like how much better? Granted I do not think Lock is all that good. I see him as a Matt Ryan type if he maxes out, but is Tua really that much better?


    Actually, scratch that. Miami is going to get Tua. What QB will be in range for us (besides Herbert whom I do not see anything more than marginally better than Lock)
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Here's your top 5 QB prospects according to Walter Football:
    Tua Tagovailoa*, QB, Alabama
    Height: 6-1. Weight: 218.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
    Projected Round (2020): 1.
    9/19/19: In 2019, Tagovailoa has completed 77 percent of his passes for 1,007 yards with 12 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Alabama has faced easy opponents in Duke, New Mexico State and South Carolina.

    8/15/19: Tagovailoa has a quality arm that can make any throw required in the NFL. After his heroic effort to win the 2017 season's National Championship for Alabama, Tagovailoa was even better as a sophomore, completing 69 percent of his passes for 3,966 yards with 43 touchdowns and six interceptions. He also is a good athlete with some running ability, notching five rushing touchdowns in 2018. His mobility and athleticism allow him to buy time and escape sacks. There are also times that Tagovailoa shows an ability to scramble and make throws off platform to move the chains. Tagovailoa looks like a future NFL starter and probably will be a team's young franchise quarterback come training camp of 2020.

    Tagovailoa is an aggressive passer who doesn't hesitate to challenge defenses downfield. He throws a very good deep ball, showing a quality arm and an ability to place his passes well downfield. He may not have an elite cannon, but his arm looks good enough. In the pocket, Tagovailoa shows patience and doesn't panic when his first read is covered. With presence and feel, Tagovailoa has the ability to function in a vertical passing offense.

    Tagovailoa is a steady passer who generally has good accuracy. He does well for the most part on his short and intermediate passes to hit receivers on the run on slants and crossing routes.

    Tagovailoa has some things he can seek to improve, and he definitely has upside to develop as he gains more experience in only his second season as a starter. There are plays on which he could pull the trigger a little faster and anticipate his receivers breaking open rather than waiting an extra second. In the NFL, he won't have as much time to throw as he does at Alabama. His footwork and mechanics could use some development, but he has a very good starting point for a quarterback entering the NFL. Tagovailoa is also left-handed, and his pro receivers will need time to adjust to him as the vast majority are used to a right-handed quarterbacks. Additionally, his offensive line is going to need a very good right tackle because he will be the blind-side protector for Tagovailoa.

    Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon
    Height: 6-6. Weight: 225.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
    Projected Round (2020): 1.
    9/19/19: In 2019, Herbert has completed 73 percent of his passes for 868 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions.

    Herbert finished Week 1 against Auburn having completed 28-of-37 passes for 242 yards with a touchdown. Herbert has all the tools to be a good NFL starter. Against Auburn, he showed his strong arm, mobility, and accuracy. But there are some uneven moments for Herbert, which stem from him having struggles when facing pressure. When he's under pressure, he loses accuracy and composure, but when he has a clean pocket, he's deadly. Improving his passing under pressure is critical for him to rise this season and to be a success in the NFL.

    8/15/19: During the fall when teams were looking at the 2019 NFL Draft quarterback prospects, Herbert was said to have the best skill set and had the most positive buzz in the scouting community. Instead of declaring for the 2019 NFL Draft, however, he decided to return for his senior year.

    In 2018, Herbert completed 59.4 percent of his passes for 3,151 yards with 29 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He only played in eight games during 2017, but completed 67 percent of his passes for 1,750 yards with 13 touchdowns and three interceptions. The sophomore also ran for five touchdowns. As a freshman, Herbert completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,936 yards with 19 touchdowns and four interceptions.

    Herbert displays good size and a strong arm with the ability to loft in touch passes. He can drop in passes with nice ball placement that leads his receivers and beats quality coverage with the location of his passes. Given his height and size, Herbert can comfortably stand tall in the pocket and demonstrate the patience to let routes develop. Along with his arm talent, Herbert is a quality athlete who has the ability to pick up yards on the ground.

    For the NFL, Herbert needs to improve in his field vision and at working through his progressions. His college offense often has him throwing to his first target or only focusing on one side of the field. Still, there is no doubt that Herbert has the skill set to start on Sundays and possesses plenty of upside to develop.

    Jake Fromm, QB, Georgia
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
    Projected Round (2020): 1-2.
    9/19/19: In 2019, Fromm has completed 42-of-56 passes (75 percent) for 601 yards with five touchdowns and zero interceptions.

    8/15/19: Fromm completed 67 percent of his passes in 2018 for 2,749 yards with 30 touchdowns and six interceptions. Because of an injury, Fromm was pressed into the starting lineup as a freshman in 2017, but he led Georgia all the way to the National Championship that season. Fromm was an excellent game-manager, making some clutch throws while protecting the football to allow his potent rushing attack and superb defense to control games. On the year, Fromm completed 62.2 percent of his passes for 2,615 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

    There is a lot to like about Fromm translating to the NFL. The important trait for any quarterback is accuracy, which Fromm has. He places his ball well, putting it in position for his receiver to make catches while avoiding putting the ball in danger. Fromm is a good decisiom-maker who protects the ball well and doesn't get careless or panic. He is a dangerous play-action passer who can come through with some clutch throws in crunch time.

    Fromm is a confident, calm, poised, and efficient pocket passer. He stands tall in the pocket and is a consistent passer, distributing the ball to all levels of the defense. He shows good timing and precision to hit his receivers through windows in coverage while leading them to produce more yards after the catch. His calm and poised approach lends to him showing field vision in the pocket, as he will move his eyes and work off his primary read. For a young quarterback, Fromm had impressive field vision at the start of his time at Georgia. While he doesn't have a cannon, Fromm will challenge defenses vertically and isn't afraid to go downfield. With his rhythm and pocket passing, Fromm would be a good fit in a west coast offense.

    Steven Montez, QB, Colorado
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
    Projected Round (2020): 1-3.
    9/19/19: Some team sources feel that Montez has a chance to develop into a special quarterback prospect. Montez had an ugly first half against Nebraska, getting shut out for two and half quarters. He then caught fire to lead a massive comeback and beat the Cornhuskers 34-31 in overtime. However, Montez and Colorado fell to Air Force in overtime a week later. In 2019. Montez has completed 61 percent of his passes this season for 827 yards with six touchdowns and two interceptions.

    8/15/19: Montez has good size to him and flashes at times, but NFL sources said he is all over the place and needs improvement. As a junior, he completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,849 yards with 19 touchdowns and nine interceptions. In 2017, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 2,975 yards with 18 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Montez needs to improve his accuracy and consistency.

    Jacob Eason*, QB, Washington
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
    Projected Round (2020): 1-3.
    9/19/19: This season, Eason has completed 69 percent of his passes for 773 yards with seven touchdowns and one interception.

    8/15/19: Eason sat out the 2018 season after transferring out of Georgia. He was injured in the 2017 season opener for Georgia, and Jake Fromm remained the starter for the rest of the season. The Bulldogs didn't want to change their winning formula once Eason was healthy, keeping Eason as the backup. After the 2017 season, Eason transferred to Washington.

    I know some scouts who are high on Eason, so he definitely would have received serious consideration if he had entered the 2019 NFL Draft, for which he was eligible. Eason has excellent size and a quality arm with pocket-passing potential. At Georgia, he got good experience working in an offense under a respected coordinator with Jim Chaney that correlates more to the NFL than the vast majority of college offenses being used. Kirby Smart said one of the sad parts about Eason leaving Georgia was that his growth under Chaney wasn't seen nationally. Eason completed 55 percent of his passes in 2016 for 2,430 yards with 16 touchdowns and eight interceptions.

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    Of the 0-2 teams some of these will need QBs and might take a top 5 QB if they get the chance:

    Miami obviously is tanking for Tua or possibly Fromm.

    Steelers would have been a possibility depending on Roethlisberger coming back, and how Rudolph plays but they traded that pick for Minkah.

    Jaguars -- Nick Foles injury leaves things in air, but they like Garner Minshew a lot. That could change though.

    Bengals for obvious reasons.

    Carolina could be an interesting case depending on whether Cam comes around from foot injury. He hasn't been the same since the SB and Panthers haven't been a factor either. (I haven't heard anything suggesting they would give up on Cam yet, but their season isn't going well and that team does not look good).

    Obviously, Giants Jets and Cardinals have their young QBs.

    That leaves the Broncos. Tick, tick, tick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    Actually, Elway is stupid enough to not draft a QB, start Flacco, and sit Lock for this year and the next two years.

    That is actually the plan. In John Elway's mind, Drew Lock is his backup QB, and is never intended to start until Flacco retires like Peyton did.

    Ie he's Brock Osweiler - although they hope he'll do better than Osweiler, he's essentially Osweiler. Drafted in the mid second round like Osweiler. Intended to sit for several seasons behind a veteran QB like Osweiler. Scheduled to come in and do his job if Flacco is hurt, but then they will go back to Flacco baring some miracle.

    That's their plan.

    Don't ask me whether it's a good plan.
    When did Elway tell you this?

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    The panthers have Grier. I doubt they will be using a top pick on a QB with im in the wings and Cam still young.
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davii View Post
    When did Elway tell you this?
    Have you heard all his public comments? Dude. He's told everybody.

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