Thread: 2019 Other Games Discussion

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I just read the first three pages of a Cardinals message board. There is much complaining about the offense but not much noise about the defense. Yes, their defense sucks. If they weren't forced to start a rookie UDFA at CB and have a bunch of injuries in the secondary, it might be a bit better.

Anyway, if you guys have any actual fact or evidence to support your arguments, I'm all ears.

But carry on about imaginary screaming fans, it sounds quite exciting.

You're complaining that he didn't document his argument, while you're not documenting yours, and the presupposition in your argument seems to be that the one message board you visit not having the bitching...sigh...we're not doing this. I just wish you were a little nicer here. You are the sky-lawyer.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I just read the first three pages of a Cardinals message board. There is much complaining about the offense but not much noise about the defense. Yes, their defense sucks. If they weren't forced to start a rookie UDFA at CB and have a bunch of injuries in the secondary, it might be a bit better.

Anyway, if you guys have any actual fact or evidence to support your arguments, I'm all ears.

But carry on about imaginary screaming fans, it sounds quite exciting.

Really?

Took me 5 seconds to Google this. Not quite sure why you’d be arguing Cardinals fans would be pleased being the worst defense in the NFL.
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4240498002

Originally Posted by tomjonesrocks

Really?

Took me 5 seconds to Google this. Not quite sure why you’d be arguing Cardinals fans would be pleased being the worst defense in the NFL.
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4240498002

VJ sucks, we can move on. No surprise a losing team is unhappy with staff, etc.

He's average.

In the NFL, average = 8-8 = sucks.

To me, he is pissed on excessively. It's the misattribution that bugs me. I'm not a big fan of his.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

It's the misattribution that bugs me.

What I mean is everyone thinking "Fire VJ, problem solved!"

No, it's exactly the same.

The big central hairy problem wasn't VJ. He neither helped nor hurt imo. He's your average 2d contract warm body.

It's just so damned hard to find good help!

I wonder why they didn't go with Shanahan. I wonder if what Falco says about Ellis is true.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

What I mean is everyone thinking "Fire VJ, problem solved!"

No, it's exactly the same.

The big central hairy problem wasn't VJ. He neither helped nor hurt imo. He's your average 2d contract warm body.

It's just so damned hard to find good help!

I wonder why they didn't go with Shanahan. I wonder if what Falco says about Ellis is true.

He was a big part of the problem. The bigger problem is who hired him. They ain't getting rid of Elway, but at least by moving on you get a chance to get lucky/learn from mistakes.

VJ was excessively shat on. I've seen worse head coaches than him. See, for instance, every Bengals HC since 1988 to Marvin Lewis.

And I've seen bad coaches win a bunch of games because their roster is loaded and their division was meh - Brad Childress comes to mind.

It's complicated.

But no, Elway was in love with VJ and wanted him. He was Elway's favorite dating back to when Cincinnati blocked us from hiring him as a coordinator.

Originally Posted by King87

But no, Elway was in love with VJ and wanted him. He was Elway's favorite dating back to when Cincinnati blocked us from hiring him as a coordinator.

That narrative has some power. Jilted and bothered is a bad combo.

Huh!

Question; How does the defending SB Champs get their biggest threat at home? Every year their hardest games are in NE, and every year they’re supposed to get the hardest schedule ... yet every year they have the easiest schedule.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Huh!

Question; How does the defending SB Champs get their biggest threat at home? Every year their hardest games are in NE, and every year they’re supposed to get the hardest schedule ... yet every year they have the easiest schedule.

Not sure I buy this. AFC East is soft, not their fault.

I was gonna watch the Saints/9ers game, but realized Broncos play this morning. Redzone it is.

Winston is so bad, its amazing he still has a job.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Not sure I buy this. AFC East is soft, not their fault.

Indeed, and the Ravens have it easy as their division sucks too but like you said its not their fault.

How many overthrows is Josh Allen gonna have today?

Originally Posted by Nomad

How many overthrows is Josh Allen gonna have today?

Ravens D is legit.

Baker doing his best Jay Cutler impersonation.

Sanders with a big play for SF.