Thread: Antonio Brown Suspended for Week 1

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Probably the right call just for precedent sake. That would have just opened up too big a can of worms doing that based on a civil suit from one person.

Yep, the current culture of guilty before proven innocent would just win another battle. Don't get me wrong, if an investigation reveals that this is even partly true, then civil lawsuit or not, I have no problem with him getting the book thrown at him.

But we can't keep expanding the "accusation counts against you" climate.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Yep, the current culture of guilty before proven innocent.

It's disgusting.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Yep, the current culture of guilty before proven innocent would just win another battle. Don't get me wrong, if an investigation reveals that this is even partly true, then civil lawsuit or not, I have no problem with him getting the book thrown at him.

But we can't keep expanding the "accusation counts against you" climate.

It needs to be a federal offense to wrongly accuse someone of rape or anything along those lines. With a mandatory of 5 years jail. I am all for legit claims and if they dont win in court thats fine, but these fake ones for cash grabs......That shit needs to come down hard!

UR - I do agree, but the current figure of false rape claims is between 5-8%.

So whilst that 5-8 % need a consequence like you mentioned, lets never lose sight of the 92-95% that are legit (and the shockingly low number of prosecutions out of these)

Statistically, whilst cash grabs are possible - it is imfinitley more likely that an entitled d-bag used his position to groom, manipulate, coerce or simply rape someone.

Very few men know a rapist - but almost all women know someone who was raped, rather than blaming women we really need to hold men accountable for the culture that allows this to be the case.

If this crossed into P+R - please delete it, i am not trying to subvert rules or cause an argument, just using some stats to possibly enlighten some

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

UR - I do agree, but the current figure of false rape claims is between 5-8%.

So whilst that 5-8 % need a consequence like you mentioned, lets never lose sight of the 92-95% that are legit (and the shockingly low number of prosecutions out of these)

Statistically, whilst cash grabs are possible - it is imfinitley more likely that an entitled d-bag used his position to groom, manipulate, coerce or simply rape someone.

Very few men know a rapist - but almost all women know someone who was raped, rather than blaming women we really need to hold men accountable for the culture that allows this to be the case.

If this crossed into P+R - please delete it, i am not trying to subvert rules or cause an argument, just using some stats to possibly enlighten some

Ill only add that likewise when its female on male rape it needs to be taken more seriously. Recent studies have shown that is just as common for female on male rape as it is male on female rape. But the double standard in society likes to act like it doesnt exist or even possible.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

UR - I do agree, but the current figure of false rape claims is between 5-8%.

So whilst that 5-8 % need a consequence like you mentioned, lets never lose sight of the 92-95% that are legit (and the shockingly low number of prosecutions out of these)

Statistically, whilst cash grabs are possible - it is imfinitley more likely that an entitled d-bag used his position to groom, manipulate, coerce or simply rape someone.

Very few men know a rapist - but almost all women know someone who was raped, rather than blaming women we really need to hold men accountable for the culture that allows this to be the case.

If this crossed into P+R - please delete it, i am not trying to subvert rules or cause an argument, just using some stats to possibly enlighten some

I may not argue with you about the 5-8% falsehood, but I'm more skeptical of the 92-95% "legit" number. There's a category in there where it's really neither (read; unsubstantiated). It's pretty hard to nail down that figure by the very nature of the unsubstantiation, but it precludes the 92-95% of being known "legit".

At the end of the day though, I'm not really interested in blaming anyone, man or woman, unless it's demonstrably shown that they committed a crime.

Originally Posted by wayninja

I may not argue with you about the 5-8% falsehood, but I'm more skeptical of the 92-95% "legit" number. There's a category in there where it's really neither (read; unsubstantiated). It's pretty hard to nail down that figure by the very nature of the unsubstantiation, but it precludes the 92-95% of being known "legit".

At the end of the day though, I'm not really interested in blaming anyone, man or woman, unless it's demonstrably shown that they committed a crime.

No, you make a totally fair point - i agree - there is a large grey area in that 92%, simply because so many of these allegations/assaults have no witnesses

Originally Posted by Northman

Ill only add that likewise when its female on male rape it needs to be taken more seriously. Recent studies have shown that is just as common for female on male rape as it is male on female rape. But the double standard in society likes to act like it doesnt exist or even possible.

In the UK a female can not legally rape a man - rape must involve a penis penetrating another person without their consent

And, i have never saw those studies, so if you could link me to them that would be awesome

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

In the UK a female can not legally rape a man - rape must involve a penis penetrating another person without their consent

And, i have never saw those studies, so if you could link me to them that would be awesome

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...1CBwohZVsva3PM

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

In the UK a female can not legally rape a man - rape must involve a penis penetrating another person without their consent

And, i have never saw those studies, so if you could link me to them that would be awesome

So in the UK Wave could never rape someone? Interesting.


#PSIamenlightened

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

No, you make a totally fair point - i agree - there is a large grey area in that 92%, simply because so many of these allegations/assaults have no witnesses

Yep, it becomes he said/she said and who's telling the truth is impossible to determine from an outside perspective.

I would also say that this is one of those weird situations where being rich and famous actually makes you more vulnerable here. Firstly, it's much easier to damage the reputation of someone who lives off of their reputation, and it's much more lucrative to settle lawsuits against someone who can pay to settle. That shouldn't be used as direct evidence of anything, but it's simply hard to ignore these facts when looking at the cases.

Originally Posted by Northman

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...1CBwohZVsva3PM

interesting article

Originally Posted by wayninja

Yep, it becomes he said/she said and who's telling the truth is impossible to determine from an outside perspective.

I would also say that this is one of those weird situations where being rich and famous actually makes you more vulnerable here. Firstly, it's much easier to damage the reputation of someone who lives off of their reputation, and it's much more lucrative to settle lawsuits against someone who can pay to settle. That shouldn't be used as direct evidence of anything, but it's simply hard to ignore these facts when looking at the cases.

I also think that for a victim seeing someone that assaulted them get off with it and then get a huge pay day might double the feelings of unfairness so they do come forward whereas in other cases historical cases would just get buried in their subconsious.....you know without the public adoration of an indiviual they know to be a wrong un

And i don't really see those cases as a cash grab in the same way some might

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I also think that for a victim seeing someone that assaulted them get off with it and then get a huge pay day might double the feelings of unfairness so they do come forward whereas in other cases historical cases would just get buried in their subconsious.....you know without the public adoration of an indiviual they know to be a wrong un

And i don't really see those cases as a cash grab in the same way some might

Yep, that's true. There's magnification either way due to the publicity of the famous person. So either it's an unfair slander that ruins a career, or it's a wound that never quite heals because there's this constant, public reminder.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Yep, that's true. There's magnification either way due to the publicity of the famous person. So either it's an unfair slander that ruins a career, or it's a wound that never quite heals because there's this constant, public reminder.

What a pleasurable and amicable discussion. you are a fine man, and a better trainer of anthropods (yeah thats right anthropods)