Thread: Heurerman on Flacco

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Are these the same analysts that think Sam Darnold and the NYJ are going to win the AFC?

Its like don't even play a game because the Jets are gonna win it all and Darnold is a HoFer. Don't even play a game.

Yeah ok!

I love that everyone is looking past Denver.

Probably. Like some analysts who are calling the 2018 draft class "the Hall of Fame Five". I don't think they are kidding.

Darnold is already in the Hall of Fame you see. Hasn't done anything whatever in the NFL but he's clearly headed for Canton. Or something.

Josh Rosen is also apparently headed for inevitable stardom despite bombing his first year and being traded for a snickerdoodle. Lamar Jackson is also an inevitable star, even though he throws like Tebow on a 3-day bender.

Originally Posted by Cugel

For some reason the national press has the delusion that Flacco is actually worse than Keesum. Joyner cannot possibly have watched Keesum play if he thinks that of course. "Huge drop off from the solid vertical passing numbers Case Keenum posted" --- that might be the funniest take on the Broncos off-season I've heard yet.

"Two of their top 3 CBs" -- well it looks like the Broncos will re-negotiate Chris Harris for this season, so that part is not true. It's unfortunate that Elway refuses to offer Harris a long term deal but that will have zero impact this season.

As for losing Bradley Roby, he played out his contract, including the fifth year option, but he wasn't very good when promoted to the #2 CB last year. The Broncos signed Callahan and Kareem Jackson, which more than made up for the loss of Roby, who had to sign a 1 year, "prove it" deal with the Texans for $9.5m.

The Texans have no commitment to him after the 2019 season. Nobody thinks losing Bradley Roby will negatively impact the Broncos except the sporting press for some insane reason.

Smh @ Joyner -Talk about Lazy... how much more could a 6-11 team decline? Lol.

Originally Posted by nevcraw

Smh @ Joyner -Talk about Lazy... how much more could a 6-11 team decline? Lol.

But they "lost 3 starters off their OL." Never mind that, other than Paradis, they richly deserved to be replaced. Unless people think that Jared Veldheer and Billy Turner were "der awesome." And Paradis is coming off 3 major surgeries in 2 years. Nobody in the NFL was willing to give him a long term deal for that reason. Instead he's got a 1 year deal for under $10m, which is a steal if he's completely healthy. But, is he going to be completely healthy? That's the risk. Elway was unwilling to give Paradis top $ for that very reason, and given the injury history that made sense.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Originally Posted by nevcraw

Smh @ Joyner -Talk about Lazy... how much more could a 6-11 team decline? Lol.

But they "lost 3 starters off their OL." Never mind that, other than Paradis, they richly deserved to be replaced. Unless people think that Jared Veldheer and Billy Turner were "der awesome." And Paradis is coming off 3 major surgeries in 2 years. Nobody in the NFL was willing to give him a long term deal for that reason. Instead he's got a 1 year deal for under $10m, which is a steal if he's completely healthy. But, is he going to be completely healthy? That's the risk. Elway was unwilling to give Paradis top $ for that very reason, and given the injury history that made sense.

Denver could trot out 5 Undrafted FAs for starters in 2019 and have as good a season as the last two they were ao mediocre. Puhleeze.

Originally Posted by Cugel

But they "lost 3 starters off their OL." Never mind that, other than Paradis, they richly deserved to be replaced. Unless people think that Jared Veldheer and Billy Turner were "der awesome." And Paradis is coming off 3 major surgeries in 2 years. Nobody in the NFL was willing to give him a long term deal for that reason. Instead he's got a 1 year deal for under $10m, which is a steal if he's completely healthy. But, is he going to be completely healthy? That's the risk. Elway was unwilling to give Paradis top $ for that very reason, and given the injury history that made sense.

$10 M for any C is not a “steal”.

Originally Posted by Jaded

$10 M for any C is not a “steal”.

If he was completely healthy, it is a steal for one of the top centers in the NFL, which Paradis is. Elway said the reason they decided not to re-sign him to a long term deal was "injury concerns". He's had 3 surgeries in 2 years, and while he claims to be coming along and will be ready to play next season, big linemen hitting 30 with significant health concerns normally do not get more healthy as they get older.

So, how long of a deal will teams want to give them? Although Andrew Whitworth will be 38 this season and he's still playing LT for the Rams. So, an older OL isn't always a problem. But, when they start having health concerns it is a problem.

Ten million a year for Paradis isn't a problem, but bad hips or legs is.

Paradis and C is probably one of the easier OL positions to Draft for. Far easier than Ts

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Paradis and C is probably one of the easier OL positions to Draft for. Far easier than Ts

Except that they didn't draft a C this year. They're using Connor McGovern who isn't great. And drafting a rookie next year would mean he might be any good in 2021 or later.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Paradis and C is probably one of the easier OL positions to Draft for. Far easier than Ts

Except that they didn't draft a C this year. They're using Connor McGovern who isn't great. And drafting a rookie next year would mean he might be any good in 2021 or later.

Center is easier to fill via Draft or FA than G or T im just saying. Its a position that is very mental, and you can overcome some physical or athletic deficiency if youre smart. Ts especially are way better athletes than interior lineman. Same on Defense.

Bolles is the best example of this. Exceptional athlete, he just hasnt grasped the mental ticks yet.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Center is easier to fill via Draft or FA than G or T im just saying. Its a position that is very mental, and you can overcome some physical or athletic deficiency if youre smart. Ts especially are way better athletes than interior lineman. Same on Defense.

Bolles is the best example of this. Exceptional athlete, he just hasnt grasped the mental ticks yet.

Hello! It doesn't matter if it's "easier" to do something if you DON'T do it!

The Broncos did not draft a C. They are going with McGovern.

The earliest they could draft a C is in 2020. That's not going to help them THIS year when they did NOT draft a C!

Originally Posted by Cugel

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Center is easier to fill via Draft or FA than G or T im just saying. Its a position that is very mental, and you can overcome some physical or athletic deficiency if youre smart. Ts especially are way better athletes than interior lineman. Same on Defense.

Bolles is the best example of this. Exceptional athlete, he just hasnt grasped the mental ticks yet.

Hello! It doesn't matter if it's "easier" to do something if you DON'T do it!

The Broncos did not draft a C. They are going with McGovern.

The earliest they could draft a C is in 2020. That's not going to help them THIS year when they did NOT draft a C!

Risner could play C too his versatility was a huge draw. Just sayin nthing is carved in stone.

Paradis is a dime-o-dozen stiff, Bye Felicia.

If McGovern fails just replace him too, it’s not hard.

Watch Sam Speedbump Jones come in a earn the starting job and I will rest my case.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Except that they didn't draft a C this year. They're using Connor McGovern who isn't great. And drafting a rookie next year would mean he might be any good in 2021 or later.

Yes, they drafted a guy who can play three different positions offensive line including center. McGovern was also thrown into playing center more than half-way through the season. That aside he played well given the circumstances. If he had been there from day one of camp I think he would have been fine. This year he will be at center from day one and will see if the criticism has any real legitimacy.