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    Default Oakland A's trying to offer Murray money to skip NFL Draft.

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    As the Oakland Athletics attempted to persuade 2018 first-round pick Kyler Murray to stick with baseball over football, they put a new contract offer on the table that may have given the reigning Heisman Trophy winner cause to pause.

    According to Sports Illustrated's Robert Klemko, Oakland offered Murray a deal that featured $14 million in guaranteed money in addition to the $4.6 million signing bonus he was entitled to as the ninth overall pick in last year's MLB amateur draft.

    The reworked deal also would have forced the A's to put the 21-year-old on its 40-man roster.

    When Murray was drafted by Oakland in June 2018, he was expected to be the Oklahoma Sooner's starting quarterback in the fall. At that point, he was not projected to be a first-round pick in the 2019 NFL draft—so the Athletics gave him their blessing to play one more season of football with the understanding that he would focus on baseball moving forward.

    "Circumstances change," Missy Murray, Kyler's mom, told Klemko. "Nobody knew he’d be in the position he is."

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    The problem with all that is Oakland will never be able to give him a huge contract simply based on their market induced salary constraints. Combine that with the fact that his type of skill set on the diamond just doesn't translate into a 30 mil per year type of player. Think Kolton Wong as a good comparison...and the smart choice financially would be football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachChaz View Post
    The problem with all that is Oakland will never be able to give him a huge contract simply based on their market induced salary constraints. Combine that with the fact that his type of skill set on the diamond just doesn't translate into a 30 mil per year type of player. Think Kolton Wong as a good comparison...and the smart choice financially would be football.
    Is it? I often see big contracts given to baseball players but is that strictly a team by team thing? Pardon my ignorance but i just dont follow baseball all that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Is it? I often see big contracts given to baseball players but is that strictly a team by team thing? Pardon my ignorance but i just dont follow baseball all that much.
    The really big contracts are a relatively small group of players. Kolton Wong for instance makes $5M per. If Kolton is a true comparison to Murray, I haven't seen him play so I dont know, I'll trust coach on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazoe60 View Post
    The really big contracts are a relatively small group of players. Kolton Wong for instance makes $5M per. If Kolton is a true comparison to Murray, I haven't seen him play so I dont know, I'll trust coach on that.
    Best comparison I've read is Starling Marte...who makes 11 mil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachChaz View Post
    Best comparison I've read is Starling Marte...who makes 11 mil.
    Still not up to Starting QB, #1 pick money, at least by the second contract. Plus baseball has gigantic bust potential. There's no guarantee he makes the Majors ever.

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    Average NFL QBs get big contacts. You have to be a superstar in baseball to get one. Football is definitely the right call for him.

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    Some people are saying it would actually be better for him to take the money from the MLB because there isnt as much contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Some people are saying it would actually be better for him to take the money from the MLB because there isnt as much contact.
    Baseball upsides:
    Guaranteed contracts, less major injuries, longer career (20+ years if your body stays together).

    Football upsides:
    More money if you can make it as a starting quarterback, more chance for endorsements.
    *The statements above are my opinions, unless they are links, because then they are links, which wouldn't make them my opinions, and I suppose stats aren't necessarily opinion, but they are certainly presented to support an opinion. Proceed accordingly.

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    What is this, amateur hour? It's TNF against the Jets and you didn't think you'd need extra booze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoWave View Post
    Average NFL QBs get big contacts. You have to be a superstar in baseball to get one. Football is definitely the right call for him.
    This isn't necessarily true. Baseball contracts are guaranteed. The second you sign that contract, you're owed that exact amount of money. NFL contracts aren't.

    32 quarterbacks have contracts worth $10 million or more, total. 29 of those are guaranteed $10 million over the life of the contract. 15 have base salaries of more than $10 million per year. In MLB, 40 outfielders (Murray's position) have contracts worth $10 million or more. Those are guaranteed. 24 outfielders in baseball have base salaries of $10 million per year or more.

    Overall, 471 NFL players have contracts worth $10 million or more, and 326 have contracts guaranteed $10 million or more. 70 players have base salaries of $10 million or more. 223 MLB players have contracts worth $10 million total. 123 players in MLB have base salaries of $10 million per year or more.

    Average NFL career: 3.3 years. Average MLB career: 5.6 years.

    None of this says Murray isn't a superstar quarterback. Maybe he is. But to automatically say he'll make more money in the NFL just because he's a quarterback isn't as clear cut. I think it is clear he's going to try football. I'm not really convinced that's his best choice, but none of the above factors in endorsements, and I believe those are loftier for NFL players.

    And, I don't think any of the above is playing into his decision. I just think he wants to be a QB at this point.
    *The statements above are my opinions, unless they are links, because then they are links, which wouldn't make them my opinions, and I suppose stats aren't necessarily opinion, but they are certainly presented to support an opinion. Proceed accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    This isn't necessarily true. Baseball contracts are guaranteed. The second you sign that contract, you're owed that exact amount of money. NFL contracts aren't.

    32 quarterbacks have contracts worth $10 million or more, total. 29 of those are guaranteed $10 million over the life of the contract. 15 have base salaries of more than $10 million per year. In MLB, 40 outfielders (Murray's position) have contracts worth $10 million or more. Those are guaranteed. 24 outfielders in baseball have base salaries of $10 million per year or more.

    Overall, 471 NFL players have contracts worth $10 million or more, and 326 have contracts guaranteed $10 million or more. 70 players have base salaries of $10 million or more. 223 MLB players have contracts worth $10 million total. 123 players in MLB have base salaries of $10 million per year or more.

    Average NFL career: 3.3 years. Average MLB career: 5.6 years.

    None of this says Murray isn't a superstar quarterback. Maybe he is. But to automatically say he'll make more money in the NFL just because he's a quarterback isn't as clear cut. I think it is clear he's going to try football. I'm not really convinced that's his best choice, but none of the above factors in endorsements, and I believe those are loftier for NFL players.

    And, I don't think any of the above is playing into his decision. I just think he wants to be a QB at this point.
    Mo, I think you know how misleading that 3.3 average career length number is for NFL players. That counts everyone down to UDFAs. If you just look at the average careers of first round picks, that number goes up to 9.3 years.

    And while there may be more outfielders making 10 million a year than QBs, it's a way longer and harder road getting to that point in baseball. Murray will be starting likely from day 1 in the NFL. As a top 10 pick at QB unless you totally suck, you're probably getting a pretty big contract on your second deal.

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    Has anyone considered the possibility he prefers to play and loves football? He'd make a ton of money either way. If he's doing it for the money, his career in either sport would likely be short lived.

    And yes, I hate the "average playing career" stat. It's incredibly misleading. For any sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoJoe View Post
    Has anyone considered the possibility he prefers to play and loves football? He'd make a ton of money either way. If he's doing it for the money, his career in either sport would likely be short lived.

    And yes, I hate the "average playing career" stat. It's incredibly misleading. For any sport.
    The NFL one is especially misleading. Even if you count every player who even makes an opening day 53 man roster, the average career length goes up to 6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    Baseball upsides:
    Guaranteed contracts, less major injuries, longer career (20+ years if your body stays together).

    Football upsides:
    More money if you can make it as a starting quarterback, more chance for endorsements.
    Endorsements is the key and certainly something an agent takes into consideration. Just watch your local channels and look at all of the athletes that get local deals. Most likley 90% of them are football players. Hell...I see commercials every day with Tony Casillas and Darren Woodson and they haven't played in over 10 years. Even David Irving had an endorsement with a local lawyer that was run no less than a thousand times a day until he retired with a joint in his mouth. The only Rangers player I can recall seeing in a local endorsement is Nolan Ryan.

    So take that concept and put it in Oakland. Even when the A's are the only team there, how much endorsement opportunity will there be? Especially compared to somewhere like Phoenix.

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