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Because unlike Keenum, Flacco can chuck it down the field. Even when case was playing good, you take his running game away, he becomes pedestrian. He has no deep ball AT ALL. So no one has any reason to respect his ability to throw down field. That leads to stacked boxes that take the run game away.
Even if Flacco and Keenum are very similar marginal QB's, the deep ball puts him head and shoulders above because it keeps the defense honest in the running game.
Im actually very surprised this move was not as well received.
I want the young Franchise QB too but now Denver can instantly improve the Offense there should be no question he is a better QB on resume alone. No one ever questioned Flaccos arm strength either. Arguably he has plenty of weapons to work with but he always had good TE production that Scang will def have to find a way. The need at TE just got bigger.
"I may not be a mathematician, but I can count to a million." - Shannon Sharpe
Eh. The wise man knows what the measure means, and what it doesn't mean. Not saying either of you is right.
If Schlereth wants to dispute an objective measure, he needs to explain what it does and doesn't measure and why that matters. Users of objective measures should be clear on exactly what is measured, and how accurately.
You know in general I roll with the data...but some anecdotes matter, and some subjective measures matter.
I know this comes across in general as a rebuttal or refutation, and that's not what I mean. I agree with you, just want to add some color to the picture you outlined.
Originally Posted by Sting
The data universally showed that Denver was a good line until a bunch of injuries occurred. After those injuries, the line was still above average regarding run blocking, and that's with a limited QB with a boy's arm. We routinely watched Keenum fail to step up in pockets when he had time, as well as take bad sacks in general. Which hurts the lines stats, and his mobility, his vaunted ability to play under pressure (that was sold to us in the past offseason) was no more. In other words, the line had a lot going against it.
Stats are contextual - but blindly feeding into narratives because they used to be true and just citing one guy because he agrees with you isn't sharp. I don't take what you're saying as a refutation - I'm just tired of this stupid narrative that it's all on the line. Crazy how PFM had a bunch of lackluster lines yet they were ranked highly. Okay, a bit too high a bar? Well, Big Ben had plenty of good years with bad pass blocking lines. OKay, too high a standard? Well Watson was a second year player coming off an ACL and had one of the worst lines. OKay, too high a standard? What about immobile Rivers having a lot of nice years in that train wreck in SD regarding skill player injuries and offensive line?
It used to be that fans who touted offensive line were savvy and sophisticated. It's now so common and so abused that it's now a shibboleth.
Anecdotally, I thought we got better after the injuries
That's basically why Elway did this trade. They were never that happy with the "Case Keesum" acquisition. They were really interested in getting Kirk Cousins, but he wasn't interested - wanting to go to a playoff team.
This year they are all in at Dove Valley on Flacco. They really think they can compete for the division with Flacco and some upgrades. I don't know about that, but that's the line they are peddling at Dove Valley.
The line played out of their minds last year. And somehow we just assume that adding Munchak makes them even better. I like Munchak but lets not forget that his line in Pitt was a lot better than ours with or without him. I still don't get why when anybody objectively would say that our coaching staff last year maxed out the potential of that group of nobody's that somehow adding a guy who yes has been a very good offensive line coach makes them even better. The ceiling for that group is low.
No, Cousins was willing to Denver for less money and the deal would have included Shanahan as head coach but Ellis nixed it. This was brought up a few months ago.
All in on Flacco? Hardly, there is absolutely nothing I can find that would indicate they all in. Denver it taking his contract which includes no guaranteed money, and they let him go at any time with no cap hit. That's hardly being all in my friend.
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