Thread: Keenum ignoring draft talk, looks forward to improving under Fangio

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Well yes there is a huge difference between sitting behind a elite quarterback and a journeyman. Assuming Lock is the guy I don't see how him by week 12 would necessarily a bad thing. If Denver is in the playoff hunt I doubt that would happen. If they're not I don't know if that would a bad thing. It will depend on how the season is going.

If we are in the hunt with keenum I agree. I just do not see that happening. Id much rather just let him get out there and learn. Get a feel for the game. But I agree, it totally depends upon how the season is going. I just do not think it will be going that much better than this year. Maybe a game or two but it is case after all.

Originally Posted by underrated29

If we are in the hunt with keenum I agree. I just do not see that happening. Id much rather just let him get out there and learn. Get a feel for the game. But I agree, it totally depends upon how the season is going. I just do not think it will be going that much better than this year. Maybe a game or two but it is case after all.

I was misunderstanding you, I thought you meant that it would better if the guy sat for the entire the season. It is also possible that if Fangio and Elway think a rookie will be able to hold his own he'll start. Elway has talked many times about his experience as a rookie, iirc he said the he learn a lot by sitting, but he also said he learned more by playing. The other thing I'll be listening for is if there is talk about the offense being tailored to rookie's strengths. If that happens that many times is an indicator that guy rookie will start sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Vic the new HC and Elway both said something that does have me a little uneasy. They both mentioned that they like the idea of the young (new drafted QB) to sit and learn for a bit. We saw that with Brock (although peyton was shattering records so its not like he was going to play anyway) but if so, (which would suck balls btw) then even if we land a Lock, Haskins, Jones, etc....I think you may still be right that case is starting for us and (gulp) even for the entire year until the chants get too big for the rookie!

I could fully see a scenario where we have Lock and Case and Case starts until week 12 or something. Then Lock gets in to get his feet wet.
I would not like that but I can see it happening from what John and Vic both said.

Doesn't sound like Vic would get ballsy like Pete Carroll and throw the kid in after a good camp.

How many starts did Mahomes get his rookie year? Not that Case is as good as Alex Smith but there are no QBs in the draft that will play as well as Mahomes either.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

How many starts did Mahomes get his rookie year? Not that Case is as good as Alex Smith but there are no QBs in the draft that will play as well as Mahomes either.

He had one start his rookie season, and that was against Denver in week 17.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Well yes there is a huge difference between sitting behind a elite quarterback and a journeyman. Assuming Lock is the guy I don't see how him by week 12 would necessarily a bad thing. If Denver is in the playoff hunt I doubt that would happen. If they're not I don't know if that would a bad thing. It will depend on how the season is going.

As a general rule I never like the idea of starting a rookie QB until year two. There are obvious exceptions of course, but I think you're more likely to ruin a rookie by starting him before he is ready than unveiling the next of the very rare rookie sensations. I would be content watching Keenum in 2019

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Agreed. He's no cancer, he works hard but he's not the kind of quarterback that you want starting 16 games for you. I've never understood the literal hatred he gets just because he's not a great player. Imo it's a bit childish. I don't know how much better a quarterback who will 31 years old next season can get. That aside he's seems to be good guy to have around. If Denver does draft quarterback ( which fully expect they will). He seems like the the kind of guy who will try to help young players, unlike someone Kyle Orton who was always jealous of younger players who could possibly take his job.

Or, dare I say, Jake Plummer?

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Or, dare I say, Jake Plummer?

Oh oh.

Seriously, I was never given the impression that Plummer was jealous, but he certainly cracked under the pressure of Cutler being in Denver to eventually replace him.

Improving seems like a good plan for Keenum.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Improving seems like a good plan for Keenum.

Agreed, but I wondering what your cat's take on this is.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Agreed, but I wondering what your cat's take on this is.

I just asked and got a head shake and a rear leg ear scratch. I'll let you interpret.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Agreed, but I wondering what your cat's take on this is.

As a cat owner myself, I'm confident that Hawg's cat doesn't give a shit about anything but eating, shitting/peeing and sleeping.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Oh oh.

Seriously, I was never given the impression that Plummer was jealous, but he certainly cracked under the pressure of Cutler being in Denver to eventually replace him.

Or the fact that heimerdinger and Shanny set him up to fail when they quit moving the pocket like kubiak had.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

As a cat owner myself, I'm confident that Hawg's cat doesn't give a shit about anything but eating, shitting/peeing and sleeping.

Pretty much. The younger one still has delusions of being a state champion mouser and will randomly tear ass around the house. Gets those big murdercat eyes when it's time to chase a toy. It's fun watching him 'in the zone'.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Improving seems like a good plan for Keenum.

The question is, can he? He'll have far better coaching and I'm assuming a far better o-line so that bodes well for him, but if he's going to end up starting in 2019, he's gotta play more like he did in Minny and I don't have the same level of faith in him I did going into 2018...

We'll see what happens, but I hope we have other viable options.