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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    The police report states the woman chose not to pursue it because "she could handle herself" and that she only wanted to see VJ lose his job at CU. Not many women want to be dragged through the long court process, where their name will inevitably be dragged through the dirt. CU decided to part ways with Vance, so clearly they believed enough of the accusations to get rid of him. A coach really shouldn't be running around drinking with student athletic trainers anyways.
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    McDaniels still is in talks for head coaching positions. VJ was one of the worst head coaches in the league. League logic seems to be that McDaniels and his transgressions aren't a deal killer. In a few years we'll see what the league's logic is about VJ.
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    Y’all know I’m an OL Groupie but I think Jeudy is going to be worth missing out on a T, knock on wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    A reputation of incompetence and sexual assault vs. a reputation of an a-hole that can gameplan? Give me the game planner. I like knowing my team has a chance. There is a reason why one guy has rings and the other doesn't. VJ couldn't get a job in New England as a janitor.

    Either way, glad both eras are over.
    McDaniels was a terrible game planner a head coach. Even if he was players didn't buy into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    Jury is still out for me with regards to the locker room, particularly when you got both vet players and coaches subtly badmouthing him now. VJ could not command the respect of a coaching staff that won Super Bowl 50, and had to fire certain guys because he brought nothing to the table that would make a coach or a player with a ring go "Wow. This guy can make me better."

    With McDaniels, there was never a question about his knowledge of the game. He was an absolute a-hole to his staff and players, but his a-holishness came from a position of him knowing the game well and just lacking the people skills/leadership qualities to motivate a team towards his Xs and Os vision. The biggest example of McD blowing it was with Mike Nolan. Mike Nolan schematically blitzed way too much, but McD didn't have the people skills to see Nolan's perspective: the team simply did not have the talent to run a "bend, don't break" NE-style defense at the time. Nolan's only chance schematically was to blitz all day and hope for the best, and McD's arrogance blinded him to thinking only his schemes worked.

    With VJ? Guy had no schemes. Guy had no vision. Guy had no chance. Guy had no hope. Guy had no clue.

    I'd take Josh McDaniels ANY day of the week over VJ. At least McD can say he's outcoached people. When has Vance Joseph EVER outcoached anyone in his career?
    Lol, no McDaniels can't say out coach anyone. Their records are nearly identical at the end of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    McDaniels was a terrible game planner a head coach. Even if he was players didn't buy into it.
    McD definitely had some games where he coached his tail off, but it became evident that his lack of adapting to his players eventually did him in. The line the Broncos had was built for zone-blocking, and ofc McDaniels insisted on power-blocking because "it's my scheme." I wouldn't say he was a terrible game planner because maybe his system would have worked if he had talented players who fit his scheme, but I'd say he failed recognize his players strengths and adapt to the talent he had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    Lol, no McDaniels can't say out coach anyone. Their records are nearly identical at the end of day.
    The 6-0 stretch the Broncos went on says otherwise. The random blowouts of KC say otherwise. Hell, the offensive gameplan last week in Kansas City says otherwise. I think McD is a a-hole, but he definitely knows his football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    McD definitely had some games where he coached his tail off, but it became evident that his lack of adapting to his players eventually did him in. The line the Broncos had was built for zone-blocking, and ofc McDaniels insisted on power-blocking because "it's my scheme." I wouldn't say he was a terrible game planner because maybe his system would have worked if he had talented players who fit his scheme, but I'd say he failed recognize his players strengths and adapt to the talent he had.
    You're talking out of both side of you mouth. You can't be a good game planner if you can't recognize strengths of your players and adapt to the talent they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    You're talking out of both side of you mouth. You can't be a good game planner if you can't recognize strengths of your players and adapt to the talent they have.
    Sure you can. McD recognized the weaknesses of opposing teams, and drew up schemes to counter them. The schemes themselves he drew up failed because the players he had on the field were not good enough to carry out his plans.

    VJ had no schemes, only players that were good enough to make plays, so he failed because he brought nothing to the table outside of terrible challenges and improper management of players (Isiah McKenzie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    The 6-0 stretch the Broncos went on says otherwise. The random blowouts of KC say otherwise. Hell, the offensive gameplan last week in Kansas City says otherwise. I think McD is a a-hole, but he definitely knows his football.
    Wrong, 2-8 the rest of way says otherwise. Sorry pal Belicheck gets credit for the game plans. Bottom line is wins and losses as I mentioned earlier. They nearly identical records as when serving as head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderArmour View Post
    Sure you can. McD recognized the weaknesses of opposing teams, and drew up schemes to counter them. The schemes themselves he drew up failed because the players he had on the field were not good enough to carry out his plans.

    VJ had no schemes, only players that were good enough to make plays, so he failed because he brought nothing to the table outside of terrible challenges and improper management of players (Isiah McKenzie).
    No he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    Wrong, 2-8 the rest of way says otherwise. Sorry pal Belicheck gets credit for the game plans. Bottom line is wins and losses as I mentioned earlier. They nearly identical records as when serving as head coach.
    My argument is that McDaniels is a better coach than Vance Joseph. If you're honestly telling me the two are equal, you have provided no evidence outside of "well their records are equal." I've provided substance, you haven't. VJ blew more games than McD ever even had a chance in due to the talent deficit (that McD arguably created).

    Do some digging and come back. McDaniels is simply the better football coach.

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    I cannot think of even one time that Vance Joseph was actually an asset to this organization.

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    When he called plays on defense we got better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    When he called plays on defense we got better.
    Apparently, he just got more involved in substitutions and packages.

    https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-bro...ort-123310232/
    Joseph will be "more involved" in the defensive playcalling during Sunday's home game against the Los Angeles Rams. Klis allows that Woods is still the de facto coordinator, though it appears Joseph will have an active role in play selection and player deployment.

    This, after affirming earlier in the week that Woods' role won't change.

    “Joe’s the coordinator, so he’s calling the plays," Joseph said Wednesday.
    And even with that, the late season meltdown of giving up 200 yards to a TE and failing to adjust speaks volumes to VJ's judgment and leadership.

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    I'm with you on the VJ is worse than McD. I was just trying to argue for the guy - tbh he's one of the least deserving HC's I've seen.
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    Y’all know I’m an OL Groupie but I think Jeudy is going to be worth missing out on a T, knock on wood.

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