Thread: Fire Vic Fangio

Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
Thus far he's been one of the best LT's in the league.

Also, with Bolles' reputation for holding, I doubt he gets the same leeway that other LT's are getting.

Garret Bolles could have turned into Jonathan Ogden and you people STILL would say he sucks.

It's right there in front of you. He's playing well. It's happening. SIR!

He's not getting called as much, but his guys are still beating him -- which is rather the point. Wilkinson is worse, true, but Wilkinson was supposed to be the rotation backup. He's not a starter, let alone a 1st rounder.

I don't think Fangio is getting fired at season's end. But, he probably will be after next season.

Truth be told, he's just not remotely a good head coach. That failure to call time-out fiasco alone was inexcusable. He's a really good DC. He should go back to being that.

It appears that NFL teams knew what they were doing when they refused to make him a head coach. He's like Wade Phillips. Can create a good D, but fails when you promote him.

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Stinky breaks down what went wrong when Lock gets hurt. Yes Bolles ****** up

Originally Posted by elsid13

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Stinky breaks down what went wrong when Lock gets hurt. Yes Bolles ****** up

We all thought that the franchise was cursed by not having a QB - as it turns out we're going to suck until we get a franchise OT.

This is like Bad Tackle Play 101 - how to get your young QB murdered in under 10 seconds.

Originally Posted by elsid13

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Stinky breaks down what went wrong when Lock gets hurt. Yes Bolles ****** up

Granted, when i recorded the game i only watched like the first quarter and a half. But from what i saw i was not that impressed with the Oline despite Pitt having a great Dline. I wasnt even that impressed when watching our Oline against the Titans either. While there are problems kind of all over the place the Oline still seems to be a huge problem for us. When Lock was in he was still running for his life and even though Driskall seemed brave enough to throw from the pocket he was paying the price with some big hits almost every single time. I havent had a chance to really watch any of the other teams (say the Raiders for instance) to really gauge how their Oline's are playing but i cant imagine its quite as bad as ours. I know this will trigger a bunch of babies to criticize the Oline but the reality is we still have some glaring issues there that isnt going to be fixed by a quick release QB.

As to Lock's injury though from what i noticed (despite having to run for his life again) he actually stumbled and when he did that is when he was tackled and fell on his shoulder/arm in an awkward position. So its kind of a freak play but then it kind of wasnt because again he was running due to pressure. Strange thing is it had looked at that point that our run game was actually going pretty well so you would have though that might relieve some of the pressure up front but alas they were still able to get considerable pressure and basically out maneuver our Oline. This is why i think its going to be more than one year to fix because the Oline still has a lot of work that needs to be done to be consistent especially at pass blocking. I think people are deluding themselves that this is a very good Oline.

Originally Posted by elsid13

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Stinky breaks down what went wrong when Lock gets hurt. Yes Bolles ****** up

The key there is never Bolles. Stink knows his audience, though.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

The key there is never Bolles. Stink knows his audience, though.

Oh man, I hope Cugel doesn't see this post.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

The key there is never Bolles. Stink knows his audience, though.

I was going to respond with the same post (thinking it was primarily Wilkinson's fault) and then I watched the video. It's kind of Bolles fault too, actually.

Originally Posted by Buff

I was going to respond with the same post (thinking it was primarily Wilkinson's fault) and then I watched the video. It's kind of Bolles fault too, actually.

Everything went wrong on that play. A minor footwork problem on the backside of a stunt by the left tackle was minuscule to the quarterback and the center misidentifying which side to help on, Wilkinson just getting blown by and Risner not identifying anything. I get it that Bolles is not what we hoped him to be, but like four things have to go wrong before we can blame Bolles for anything on that play, yet that’s right where everyone goes.

Stink is wrong.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Everything went wrong on that play. A minor footwork problem on the backside of a stunt by the left tackle was minuscule to the quarterback and the center misidentifying which side to help on, Wilkinson just getting blown by and Risner not identifying anything. I get it that Bolles is not what we hoped him to be, but like four things have to go wrong before we can blame Bolles for anything on that play, yet that’s right where everyone goes.

His "minor footwork problem" caused him to be out of position, get picked, and miss the second part of his assignment completely. He wasn't solely to blame on that play - but it's pretty representative of how his shoddy play contributes to a mediocre offense regularly.

Originally Posted by Poet

Nobody has been more consistently wrong about Bolles than me and I'm here to apologize for being egregiously wrong.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Buff

Fair enough.

So on a play where a center and a guard botch it, and a QB extends a play, the fact that the LT was imperfect is what it hinges on? And the fact that it happened against the Steelers means nothing?

Come on, Buff. You said you trust PFF to an extent. Well they're saying Bolles is playing pretty well. The eye test on Bolles, from anyone who isn't frothing at the mouth to bash him, says he's playing pretty well. The fact that he played well against the Titans line and Clowney says he's playing pretty well.

I care about how he's playing now. And he's played fine this year. He played fine last season when Lock got in.

You can say 'well the league isn't calling holding penalties' and I'll say 'well his reputation is such that he's not going to get a benefit of the doubt'. You can say well he's getting chip help. I'll say most LT's do, even the really, really good ones. You can point to his poor play in the past, and I'll point to how some of his sacks came because of our QB caliber.

I guess Bolles is the worst ever because he was partially beaten on a stunt via an elite defense, regardless of the right tackle, the center, and the left guard all botching it, while the QB tried to extend a play? And if that's the case, let's presume it is: the fact that the guy who was least culpable in the play gets the bulk of the blame speaks to the collective Zeitgeist of the board and scapegoating.

The other thing that showed was the play was well designed to get Hamler a TD. If the O Line had executed then it was great play call.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

The key there is never Bolles. Stink knows his audience, though.

At first even I was saying there’s no way that’s on Bolles ... but I’m gonna go with a little bit of Bolles after listening to Stink.