Thread: Envisioning Kubiak as Offensive Coordinator

Originally Posted by King87

You mocked me with your "LMAO," and it is one of the harshest moments in board history. Let's hope it's Shanahan Jr. and not Austin Rivers.

I will edit my post to retract the lmao kinger. I value your brotherhood that much

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

I will edit my post to retract the lmao kinger. I value your brotherhood that much

I'm delicate today, Steve. I'm sorry. My heart is heavy, and not just due to clogged arteries.

Originally Posted by King87

I'm delicate today, Steve. I'm sorry. My heart is heavy, and not just due to clogged arteries.

Im sorry man.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

Im sorry man.

Let me hold you. You're beautiful.

Originally Posted by King87

Let me hold you. You're beautiful.

Heavy love

Kubiak is not my ideal hire, but I actually have confidence in him being a value add. He's still got juice. He's like a solid 3 in a playoff team rotation. I think he's the perfect pairing with Keenum, but I'd like to see them incorporate more simulation and analysis into their prep regime once they settle on their scheme (which should begin to tilt toward what college O-linemen do best). Honestly, if they do that, this team could be a '19 SB favorite and ready to unseat KC. The defense is real (once they solve TE/ILB and get another CB).

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Kubiak is not my ideal hire, but I actually have confidence in him being a value add. He's still got juice. He's like a solid 3 in a playoff team rotation. I think he's the perfect pairing with Keenum, but I'd like to see them incorporate more simulation and analysis into their prep regime once they settle on their scheme (which should begin to tilt toward what college O-linemen do best). Honestly, if they do that, this team could be a '19 SB favorite and ready to unseat KC. The defense is real (once they solve TE/ILB and get another CB).

I'm inclined to agree. Keenum may not be optimal, but prior history says he can play well if used properly...something we absolutely did not do in 2018. Kubes may be just the right guy to do that. This being the case we can work on fixing some of the other stuff that's broken on this team (LT, ILB, CB) without wasting a first round pick on some reach at QB, or wasting even more picks to move up for a guy who is still a reach. We need another Paxton Lynch like a hole in the head

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

I'm inclined to agree. Keenum may not be optimal, but prior history says he can play well if used properly...something we absolutely did not do in 2018. Kubes may be just the right guy to do that. This being the case we can work on fixing some of the other stuff that's broken on this team (LT, ILB, CB) without wasting a first round pick on some reach at QB, or wasting even more picks to move up for a guy who is still a reach. We need another Paxton Lynch like a hole in the head

We need a high upside QB for the future. Even if Case returns to MN form next year, we really don't want him to be our future QB, even if he is the best now QB option. Beyond that, look at our backup QB. With Kelly going off the reservation and Lynch gone, we have no future QB prospect with even the hope of taking over the reigns.

I have no idea what the answer is, just pointing out the obvious problem (possibly current, but definitely future) we have at QB.

Originally Posted by NightTerror218

I think Kubiak can do much more for keenum then what we saw this year.

Excited to see Lindsey and Freeman in Kubiak system

I've been tooting that horn since the middle of the season.

Kubiak plays to strengths, granted but he's no magician. Which is what it would take to get keenum marginally above serviceable

You need a different metric to grade kubiak, otherwise he will be deemed a miserable failure.

Keenum is that bad, he could kill kubes reputation as a good coordinator

Originally Posted by Shazam!

2015 - Broken down Manning

2016 - Trevor Simien

A terrible OLine

They won a Championship and had a winning record the following year

Whats the problem?

I suppose it's a question of perspective. Kubiak wasn't a terrible head coach, at least not compared with VJ.

But, the offense was pretty flat. True, having a turn-style OL and Trevor Siemian didn't help, and that was Elway's fault. But, the offensive scheme wasn't great either.

I think it's probable that Kubiak is going to have to incorporate some new concepts into his offense to take advantage of the new NFL passing rules. Problem is they don't have the QB to do that.

So, I expect the offense to be pretty much what it was this year, pedestrian and boring and low scoring. The defense could be better, we'll see.

But, unless they rebuild the OL nothing will improve. And we know Case Keenum ain't the answer - unless the question is "what are 50 ways to suck at QB?"

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Kubiak plays to strengths, granted but he's no magician. Which is what it would take to get keenum marginally above serviceable

You need a different metric to grade kubiak, otherwise he will be deemed a miserable failure.

Keenum is that bad, he could kill kubes reputation as a good coordinator

He turned Joe Flacco into a QB who actually got MVP consideration...Joe Flacco... He made Justin Forcett a one year star at RB....He made Matt Fricken Schaub fool the league into thinking he was anything more than a sub par QB... I think you forget these things all because he and Manning didn't mesh well together.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

He turned Joe Flacco into a QB who actually got MVP consideration...Joe Flacco... He made Justin Forcett a one year star at RB....He made Matt Fricken Schaub fool the league into thinking he was anything more than a sub par QB... I think you forget these things all because he and Manning didn't mesh well together.

My post was not to damn kubiak.... It was to protect him. Keenum is worse than flacco and schaub

I never mentioned running backs

Everyone seems to be getting back on some weird keenum train because we have an OC that will roll him out of the pocket several times a game.

Keenum sucks. He had nice stats in Minnesota, but the reality is he sucked there as well. The post season was too big for him, his td record was pedestrian at best and all his other flaws were still there.

I don't think it's fair to believe kubes or anyone else is going to get anything out of him that is meaningful. Best we can hope for is to play to his limitations. Of which there are many. That's not something to form a source of optimism.

Again, this is not to decry kubes, it's to caution the willfully ignorant optimism that his return will change keenum significantly

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

My post was not to damn kubiak.... It was to protect him. Keenum is worse than flacco and schaub

I never mentioned running backs

Everyone seems to be getting back on some weird keenum train because we have an OC that will roll him out of the pocket several times a game.

Keenum sucks. He had nice stats in Minnesota, but the reality is he sucked there as well. The post season was too big for him, his td record was pedestrian at best and all his other flaws were still there.

I don't think it's fair to believe kubes or anyone else is going to get anything out of him that is meaningful. Best we can hope for is to play to his limitations. Of which there are many. That's not something to form a source of optimism.

Again, this is not to decry kubes, it's to caution the willfully ignorant optimism that his return will change keenum significantly

I don't think that even with Kubiak's help that Denver will get that much more out of Keenum. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Kubiak is going to be there for the guy who will replace Keenum.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

My post was not to damn kubiak.... It was to protect him. Keenum is worse than flacco and schaub

I never mentioned running backs

Everyone seems to be getting back on some weird keenum train because we have an OC that will roll him out of the pocket several times a game.

Keenum sucks. He had nice stats in Minnesota, but the reality is he sucked there as well. The post season was too big for him, his td record was pedestrian at best and all his other flaws were still there.

I don't think it's fair to believe kubes or anyone else is going to get anything out of him that is meaningful. Best we can hope for is to play to his limitations. Of which there are many. That's not something to form a source of optimism.

Again, this is not to decry kubes, it's to caution the willfully ignorant optimism that his return will change keenum significantly

I don't think Keenum is as bad as people think he is... He's not a great QB, he's not a long term solution, but he is a QB who is above average when put in situations that move him outside the pocket. Kubiak's offense is designed around that. He will play far better in a Kubiak offense.

He's not going to make you want to abandon your desire for a better option, but he's also not going to make you want to throw your remote at your TV 2-3 times per game.