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    Quote Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27 View Post
    I said draft Devin White because we need an ILB because he can fill any voids left by Von. Complimentary football. People wanna infer something else? Go ahead. Pretty boring around here apparently that we need to make up fake arguments.
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    Gotta have that leader in the middle.

    As good as Von is as a pass rusher, he is not a great LB overall when considering the other responsibilities.

    You said he wasn't a great LB because he didn't stop the run. You need multiple players to stop the run. No one's making up a fake argument. Even if Von was the best run stuffer in the game we'd still need a ILB to do that. Also, we have another OLB who is good against the run in Chubb. It doesn't mean we don't need an ILB to do that.

    Or, in short - you started off almost saying we need an ILB to run stuff because Von is deficient and then switched to saying well we still need an ILB to do that. Von isn't deficient, and we need an ILB to run stuff (also and more importantly to cover) but not because of Von's being deficient.
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    48 tackles. 29 solo. You are a stat guy. Until it doesn't fit your opinion and then you aren't. 48 tackles is not very good for an elite LB with no weaknesses.

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    I form my opinions on good analysis. You don’t have to admit you had a bad take. I love you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27 View Post
    48 tackles. 29 solo. You are a stat guy. Until it doesn't fit your opinion and then you aren't. 48 tackles is not very good for an elite LB with no weaknesses.

    Again...boredom
    See, I was going to let this go, but you keep wanting to say I'm selective and I'm not. YOU can pull up PFF grades and find that he's considered elite at run stopping. As an ILB he's not ever going to hit 120 tackle, because that's not his job. Nor is it the job of an ILB who is a run stopper, to pull up a bunch of sacks, albeit some years you do see that via scheme (one of the ILB backers for the chiefs had like 8-10 a few years ago). You can't pull up a raw data and draw that conclusion without more context. That number is meaningless.

    That's why the criticism you label me with doesn't fit. You have to have the context, or in this case, compare him apples to apples.

    This is from last season, not the one ongoing via the playoffs:
    PFF Grade: 95.0

    Elite Stat: Miller led all edge defenders in total pressures in 2017, recording 83 over 447 pass-rush snaps.

    With the Denver Broncos’ season sinking into misery as it wore on, it feels like the league let Von Miller slip out of the limelight, and he received significantly less press this season for the destructive force he continued to be despite never seeing his performances slip. Miller ended the season leading all edge defenders with 83 total pressures and the second-best pass-rush productivity score. Miller has always been more than just a pass-rusher though, and his 31 run stops are the second-best mark among all edge defenders, trailing only Khalil Mack. Miller’s three missed tackles in the run game were also half the number that Mack missed over the year.


    See how they confine him to edge rushes, and not, for instance, ILBs? By comparing him to pass rushers who will have some run stopping responsibilities, it makes sense. Comparing him to an ILB who has a job that often consists of run stopping, does not. So you have to have the context, and you can't just drop a raw stat like tackles to do it.

    Stats are useful, but you have to use them right. It's why teams might pay a guy in FA a ton of money for one big sack total year and then are stumped when he doesn't get it done for them. When, in reality, the stat the correlates to sacks in the future the most is QB pressures. It ironically, and strangely, correlates better to sacks than sacks correlates to sacks. Mostly because if you consistently get there, you're going to get your sacks. In contrast, one year, you might just play against less mobile QB,s so even though you get there less, you have better opportunities in that given year, ergo, the correlation means less overall.

    I love you. You're my guy. But you can't just say I cherry pick to suit my conclusions. Because I don't. I actually argue that Von Miller is a better OLB than Derrick Thomas because their pass rush abilities are close, Thomas might get the edge on that, but as a run stopper Von Miller is one of the best pass rushers to do it. And he can cover a little, too.

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    My assessment of Miller vbased on the eye test, his responsibilities at olb, and the PFF analysis over the past nine years that he's been in the league. Early in his career when we were still in the 4-3 it wasn't even close. It was so far to Von's favor that they would comment on it every year. Just how ridiculous it was. As you can see from what kinger just posted it's still that way for him. He may not have quite the numbers that Mack did but he missed fewer tackles which evens it out in my book. So maybe it's just Burbage at this point. I'd like to say that you two both provide some of the best perspective on this board. Perhaps it's just weighing a little too heavily on his tackle total when 3-4 outside linebackers who are tasked with being primarily pass-rushers don't typically put up great tackle numbers.
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    And I think we all agree that we need our next Al Wilson. Or hell I'd settle for the next Danny trevathan without the injury concerns.

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