Thread: For the fans who wanted Quenton Nelson

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I don't think it's as simple as you want it to be. The top defenses also made it into the playoffs and both games needed OT to reach the #s you referenced. In this area of offensive friendly rules, I don't think 25 points is a high # st all.

The Rams had an average defense. The Patriots defense was mocked for most of the year. The Bears lost. The vaunted Eagles defense lost. Of course one entire side of the ball is important, and of course scoring went down some in the playoffs like it always does. But I sure do see huge offensive numbers. I sure do see elite QB play. I sure do see rules favoring the defense. I sure do see every indication that offense is the way of the NFL.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

That's not the way it works... Von Miller is a known quantity... Goff, Wentz, Luck, Mahomes, they are all known quantities as well. The "next Goff, Wentz, ect..." is a crapshoot. You could draft a QB every year for the next 20 years with the top draft pick and your choice of every QB and never find them...

No chance in hell I'd trade miller for anything less than a PROVEN star and even then I wouldn't trade Von.

As we witnessed yesterday, a strong defense keeps a Mahommes & a Brees in check. Granted.....NO got robbed, they still had a chance to win the game. But, the Rams defense came through. Same could be said for the Patriots. There were no shootouts, though they do look good in the regular season.

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Originally Posted by Nomad

As we witnessed yesterday, a strong defense keeps a Mahommes & a Brees in check. Granted.....NO got robbed, they still had a chance to win the game. But, the Rams defense came through. Same could be said for the Patriots. There were no shootouts, though they do look good in the regular season.

The Chiefs scored 30 points after a bad first half. The bad first half was more about a young QB being lost than a great Patriots defense. The Rams scored 26 points. The average winning score in the NFL for a winning team is 29 points. In the playoffs. Where defenses were allowed to play yesterday.

Embrace the evolution of the game.

Aside from last week's AFC games...this whole playoffs has shown strong D. Didn't NE get 14 points after a game losing INT? A Michael Dean Perry moment is the only thing that got NE to the 25 point total you referenced.

Originally Posted by King87

The Chiefs scored 30 points after a bad first half. The bad first half was more about a young QB being lost than a great Patriots defense. The Rams scored 26 points. The average winning score in the NFL for a winning team is 29 points. In the playoffs. Where defenses were allowed to play yesterday.

Embrace the evolution of the game.

So when scoring is down....its poor O, not good D? I'm done. You can't help but make excuses for any points against your made up arguments

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

So when scoring is down....its poor O, not good D? I'm done. You can't help but make excuses for any points against your made up arguments

It's well known that scoring goes down in the playoffs a tad. Usually it's higher than three points. Do a thought exercise here - if great offenses sometimes have a drop in scoring (one game with LA and NO but not KC and NE) that is about a FG, how worse do you think it would be for teams with bad offenses?

Several times in both games the announcers noted that the refs were really letting the teams play. What does that tell you? The rules get relaxed on defense a bit. If you want to chalk that up to improved defense, go ahead. The logic doesn't follow.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Aside from last week's AFC games...this whole playoffs has shown strong D. Didn't NE get 14 points after a game losing INT? A Michael Dean Perry moment is the only thing that got NE to the 25 point total you referenced.

So aside from about half the games?

Let's see here - The Chiefs scored 31 points against the Colts, a team lauded for defense. The Rams dropped 30 on the Cowboys, a team lauded for it's defense. The Patriots dropped 41 against the Chargers. And the Saints played a rough game and only had 20 points, and had a rough game last night and only had 23. The Chiefs and the Patriots lit up the scoreboard.

I agree with SA. It's not that Wentz doesn't have talent, but it would be foolish to trade Von for quarterback can't stay healthy. His talent doesn't do you bit a good if he ends up missing huge portions of the season.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I agree with SA. It's not that Wentz doesn't have talent, but it would be foolish to trade Von for quarterback can't stay healthy. His talent doesn't do you bit a good if he ends up missing huge portions of the season.

You at the link from PFT on the other page, the Eagles locker room agrees.

Originally Posted by Nomad

You at the link from PFT on the other page, the Eagles locker room agrees.

I don't really put a lot of stock into anonymous quotes. For all we know, those were from players who didn't feel like they were getting the ball from him enough or something.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I don't really put a lot of stock into anonymous quotes. For all we know, those were from players who didn't feel like they were getting the ball from him enough or something.

The fact that team leaders instantly spoke out here pretty much kabooshes the point. The fact that the Eagles are picking Wentz is telling, too.

Originally Posted by King87

The fact that team leaders instantly spoke out here pretty much kabooshes the point. The fact that the Eagles are picking Wentz is telling, too.

Yeah it tells you the Eagles have quite a bit invented a top five pick they took just a few short years ago.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Yeah it tells you the Eagles have quite a bit invented a top five pick they took just a few short years ago.

A guy who was leading the MVP charge and came back and was having a damn fine season. That team is about winning - if they thought Wentz wasnt' the best route they'd take action.

BUt it's a gooooooooooood daaaaaaaaaaay baaaaaaaaaaaaaaby!

Originally Posted by King87

The fact that team leaders instantly spoke out here pretty much kabooshes the point. The fact that the Eagles are picking Wentz is telling, too.

It doesn't take a genius to know Eagles have many dollars invested into Wentz, and no other team would take on that contract. Eagles just better hope they find a solid backup at QB. Foles may flop the next team he goes to, but he knows that Eagles playbook, and plays at the next level for them. Wake me when Wentz gets to that point.