Thread: At What Point Is This Elway's Fault?

Originally Posted by Northman

Do you know this for certain or just theory?

Fact.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Fact.

Source?

Originally Posted by Freyaka

Source?

underrated29

Originally Posted by Freyaka

So many different accounts...Some people say Kubiak talked him out, some say Ellis pulled rank. Bottom line, VJ survived and he shouldn't have. Elway needs to course correct. Had we won out, I'd have said VJ stays, we didn't win out, even that would be something that could be overlooked if it wasn't for the way in which we lost (which was very typical for a VJ coached team in the last two years)

we know it was ellis.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

Source?

Been confirmed by two separate guys on the mane. One is good friends with people on the fan. The other still has an inside guy. How do you think I am constantly getting our first round picks right year after year?

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

underrated29

Originally Posted by underrated29

Been confirmed by two separate guys on the mane. One is good friends with people on the fan. The other still has an inside guy. How do you think I am constantly getting our first round picks right year after year?

You dont have to believe me. But it was Ellis.

Originally Posted by underrated29

You dont have to believe me. But it was Ellis.

I don't doubt that it's possible or even likely, I just don't take friends who know friends as a credible source They may in fact be credible, but it's hard for the rest of us to take it as credible.

Originally Posted by underrated29

You dont have to believe me. But it was Ellis.

Anyway your sources can give me Ellis location? I need to pay him a personal visit.

Originally Posted by Northman

Anyway your sources can give me Ellis location? I need to pay him a personal visit.

Here you go:

13655 E Broncos Pkwy, Englewood, CO 80112

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Brazen effrontery!

wreckless as all hell.

People have been knowing it was **** Ellis for months now.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Elway wanted to fire VJ, but Ellis puled rank. Convinced him not to do so.

I don’t buy it

Originally Posted by DenBronx

I don’t buy it

No need, the information is free!

Sounds like you are looking for backers in your internal struggle to make Elway a bad guy.

I'm all in.

That doesn't mean I feel he should be canned, only that I feel it is stupid to give him a pass, over...and over....and over again.

I think VJ should be canned but I cannot consider myself a rational human being without first acknowledging that VJ got shafted in every way his first year. So bad that his second year was all about Elway trying to mend what he broke...In a haphazard fashion that was deeply driven by Elway's ego and the idea that he made the Broncos relevant, rather than the fact that he got lucky in signing Manning and most top QBs don't want to work for a stingy *******. Manning regretted working for a stingy *******. But what choice did he have, at the end of his career? Start all over again? Thus, Elway was a stingy ******* to Manning and we stumbled into a SB win. Plus, Wade Phillips. Whom Elway pushed away by by being an arrogant and stingy *******.

Basically, Elway is an arrogant and stingy *******. He is all that and also did a great job in the 2018 draft. He needs to do as good a job regarding next years draft and coaching situation. He's got it in him. Let's just hope he is an arrogant and stingy ******* that kills next years draft, brings in an offensive innovator AT HC, and understands that he was very much last years headline and that only gets him so much cred today.

Basically, yes. He should be on notice. I feel he has it in him. He's a big boy in a big boy game. It's all about him realizing that the game is so much bigger than him though, IMO.

It's a business, Elway. Perform or get left behind.