He's a better drafter than he gets credit for, IMO.
I believe JFE learns lessons; he knows what it be like.
I don’t think things are totally bad to be honest. I just want to know that the man at the helm still has a contingency plan when things don’t work out. No Kool Aid needed for this Homer just donuts, but things don’t work out fine, move on. At times he does and at times he doesn’t and it’s the uncertainty and indecisiveness that concern me. I was disappointed when Tebow was sent to New England because he was passionate and fun to watch while Manning was methodical and fun to watch not for his physical athleticism but his tactical genius. Elway made that happen and we won another Super Bowl as a direct result of Elway brining in Manning. I am also fascinated by the chaos that will unravel with what appears to be the Brittany vs Beth ownership struggle. I hope it’s decided as soon as possible and so we can regain stability. I apologize but I am focused on the next several moves, as chess is a passion and so when things don’t work out you have a backup plan. My final thing is I want Elway to be more levelheaded. For all practical purposes, passion is for players and coaches, should be more analytical so that unfortunate incidents like the releasing of Chad Kelly are seen as a business decision exclusively, albeit a disappointing one, and not an emotional one with hurt feelings etc...
Well, if the Broncos have another losing season, the first back to back losing seasons in what 40 years, well, then, I think people should chill out and realize it's the first time in over four decades the Broncos have had back to back losing seasons.
Insert "Broncos fans are spoiled" statement wherever you see fit.
Considering Cutler is by far the best QB the Broncos have drafted, Brian Griese, Siemian and Maddox probably rounding out the top four, I think it's fair to say, we should cut Elway a little slack as it's clearly something in the Denver water that impacts QB draft decisions.
What's the number of franchise QBs, all-time? 50? 80? Let's say since '78. Some teams haven't had one that whole time...although it can be tough to tell when it's a good QB lost in a bad team/coaching situation.
My point is that if you say there have been about 64 legit QBs in 40 years x 32 teams (again, for easy math) with a franchise period of 10 years, that's what...
*Mathing* 1280 team years / 640 QB years...
50% coverage. Meaning half the time your team has a guy. That kinda squares with the state of the NFL right now, about 50% or so with a guy you'd call franchise (he'd get you to the big game and not stink up the joint).
They don't grow on trees! And I'm not sure there have been 64 of them...most need a HOF type coach to pair with them.
This whole exercise has me wishing we'd taken a flyer on a QB last draft, you gotta put your chips in if you wanna win.
Originally Posted by Sting
Two thoughts: Firstly, it sort of depends because some analysts thought and think guys like Flacco and Ryan (both divisive in their own rights) are franchise guys; Secondly, it didn't feel that way when Chubb was going off, but today it does. I suspect we will hem and haw back and forth about it.
I think for your point maybe HoF worthy or in that discussion is closer to what you want. Flacco cannot make the HoF and Ryan's a longshot too. But guys like Rivers (borderline guy although a ring gets him in most likely) and the like are definitely of what I thought about when I read your post.
Elway should get the same grace period of anyone that’s GM’ed an All-time great defense, an All-time great offense and a SB loss and win.
On the other hand, Elway should also get the same criticism of any other GM that cant draft to save his ass.
This is a guy that fired a HC after a SB appearance and three straight division titles (iirc), he’s been through 3 HC’s in 9 seasons, his team is in disarray for the 3 straight season ... what do you think Elway would do if he was the boss of someone in the same position as he’s in? He’d fire him.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
Every GM has excuses.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
My coach has a bad ticker and "this guy wants to leave because I want him to coach differently (Fox)" isn't much of an excuse. Also, the 9-7 team wasn't in disarray, but it was headed that way.
Look, VJ and the inability to get a QB are the failings we can put on Elway. He's put a lot of ammo in the latter, and VJ is a failure.
The drafts are more of a mixed bad than what a lot of people want to admit.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
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