Thread: Would Broncos fans rather have Rosen or Allen over Chubb right now?

Originally Posted by Northman

For me its not about whether or not you can win a SB without a Franchise/HOF QB, its been done a few times in history. But the reality is especially in the last 30 or so years that for teams that make it regularly to the SB it has involved the team having a franchise/HOF caliber QB on the squad. Its not speculation, its not an opinion, its fact. Even for a guy like Eli who many feel isnt quite a HOF QB he is the Giants franchise QB, he is not a flash in a pan kind of guy like Foles, Dilfer, or Johnson.

That's true. It's just that it is impossible to predict which QB in the draft is going to have a Hall of Fame career. Sometimes people predict that and are basically right (Luck - if the Colts had a decent OL to protect him).

But more often even the top 2 picks are good QBs, but not Hall of Fame worthy (Jared Goff and Carson Wentz so far, along with Pat Mahomes (#10), DeShaun Watson (#12), and other young QBs who have yet to prove themselves in the playoffs).

But, lots of times the QBs taken in the top 5 are flat disappointments - (Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, RGIII, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez).

Originally Posted by Cugel

That's true. It's just that it is impossible to predict which QB in the draft is going to have a Hall of Fame career. Sometimes people predict that and are basically right (Luck - if the Colts had a decent OL to protect him).

But more often even the top 2 picks are good QBs, but not Hall of Fame worthy (Jared Goff and Carson Wentz so far, along with Pat Mahomes (#10), DeShaun Watson (#12), and other young QBs who have yet to prove themselves in the playoffs).

But, lots of times the QBs taken in the top 5 are flat disappointments - (Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, RGIII, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez).

Dont forget...

Paxton Lynch
Poopy pants cutler
Tebow
Gabbert
Weeden
Bradford
Jawalrus ruffles
Vince Young

Tebow beat the Steelers.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

Might be too early to declare that we are not making the playoffs.

I wish it werent so, but it is.

The polling options don't match the question.
It's rigged, I tell you.

Originally Posted by Cugel

That's true. It's just that it is impossible to predict which QB in the draft is going to have a Hall of Fame career. Sometimes people predict that and are basically right (Luck - if the Colts had a decent OL to protect him).

But more often even the top 2 picks are good QBs, but not Hall of Fame worthy (Jared Goff and Carson Wentz so far, along with Pat Mahomes (#10), DeShaun Watson (#12), and other young QBs who have yet to prove themselves in the playoffs).

But, lots of times the QBs taken in the top 5 are flat disappointments - (Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, RGIII, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez).

I would literally take all those disappointments over what the Broncos have rolled out there since PFM.

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

Dont forget...

Paxton Lynch
Poopy pants cutler
Tebow
Gabbert
Weeden
Bradford
Jawalrus ruffles
Vince Young

Vince Young #1 and JaWalrus Russell were top five picks, but the rest were not. Cutler was #11 for instance.

And then there are the QBs whom nobody predicted would be any good, but have won SBs (Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Nick Foles). So, it's very difficult to predict QB success in the NFL.

And Elway didn't want to wait to develop another QB. Well, now he has no choice.

Realizing this he's waved the White Flag by shopping Demaryius Thomas and possibly other players we don't know about.

They should be shopping anybody who won't be here next year but who has a year left on their contract.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I would literally take all those disappointments over what the Broncos have rolled out there since PFM.

You wouldn't take them if "taking them" meant wasting a top 5 pick of the draft on one of them! You would "take them" if that simply meant picking one up in FA rather than paying $18m to Keenum, sure.

But, nobody could get any of those stiffs like Mariota and Winston, Gabbert or Sanchez without wasting a high first round draft pick on one of them.

Drafting one of the stiffs normally costs a GM and head coach their jobs. That's the price for picking and failing.

Quote Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol) View Post
Might be too early to declare that we are not making the playoffs.

Elway has decided that or they wouldn't be shopping D.T. You don't see the Chefs shopping players who won't be on their 2019 roster 7 weeks into the season. They need EVERYBODY on their roster to compete for a championship!

Denver doesn't. Elway has concluded that their season is toast and is pulling the plug right now. This sends a clear message to the locker-room "you can try and rally the team and win more games, but we'd really rather you tanked so I can get a top 5 draft pick for 2019, and we're getting rid of you regardless of how you perform this season. If you're a veteran making decent money on this roster you're likely gone in 2019."

And you can bet that trading DT will go over about as well in the locker-room as trading TJ Ward right before last season did. And we all know what an amazing season the Broncos had in 2017!

Didn't we cut Ward?

Yes

Originally Posted by King87

Didn't we cut Ward?

Si.

We’re multilingual up in this piece!

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Were multilingual up in this piece!

Horale!