Thread: The nasty word we all don't want to hear:

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

The problem with just blowing it all up is that we might actually have a decent squad but our coaching is so horrible and our QB play still sucks so we don’t know. Tell me Wade couldn’t have this defense in the top 5!? I’m sure he could. Woods sucks, VJ sucks and I’m really starting to question Musgrave. How on the hell do you run the ball <20 times per game with studs like Lindsay and Freeman at your disposal and an Oline who is pretty good at run blocking? There’s zero creativity in our offense and it keeps falling on Keenum who isn’t a guy to “save the day” and typically doesn’t.

Scrap this coaching staff and get some guys in here who can actually make players perform to their talent level and maybe even have their players prepared for the team they’re playing that week. This roster is not devoid of talent. Even Keenum is better than he’s shown so far. Look at the difference between McDouchebag’s team and Fox’s. Pretty much the same roster (before Manning), marked improvement in play and preparation.

This.

There is no ****ing way the NYJ are a more talented bunch than Denver.

Even Todd ****ing Bowles is a betyer coach than VJ at this point.

A bad Coach can keep a bad team competitive.

VJ is always shooting himself in the face on game day, how can the Broncos wwin when they have to overcome that before their opposition?

Well Bowles was a good dc so he at least had a resume. Vj had one shitt squad in miami and a few decent defensive backfield in cincy. Talk about underqualified lmao

Originally Posted by G_Money

Tanking is a one year process, at least in the NFL. Rebuild usually indicates selling off your good assets for a multi-year tank. No need to sell Harris and Von for draft picks.

Completely disagree here, sell high.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Completely disagree here, sell high.

If our secondary is going to get torched we might as well get a first for him

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

why are you call ground control.

do you work at airport?

Early last year, a nickname being tossed around for the Denver front 7 was Ground Control since they were doing very well against the run and as a compliment to the NFZ. It didn't stick but I liked it.

Good think it didn't stick, given the last 2 games...

(I am a surveyor and we do use horizontal and vertical coordinate control that is on the ground. Doesn't quite have a ring to it for me personally, however. If there still was a NFZ, and we were a league leader in run D, that would be pretty damn cool name, though.)

Originally Posted by Ground Control

Early last year, a nickname being tossed around for the Denver front 7 was Ground Control since they were doing very well against the run and as a compliment to the NFZ. It didn't stick but I liked it.

Good think it didn't stick, given the last 2 games...

(I am a surveyor and we do use horizontal and vertical coordinate control that is on the ground. Doesn't quite have a ring to it for me personally, however. If there still was a NFZ, and we were a league leader in run D, that would be pretty damn cool name, though.)

Nah, it is a gay name no matter how you slice it

Originally Posted by Shazam!

I dont think they will embrace a full rebuild.

There is no ****ing way the NYJ have more talent than Denver. It is all about the Coaching at this point IMO. The lack of discipline and preparedness of this team to me is mind blowing, and its been a trend ever since the loss to the NYG last year.

Both Coordinators are doing a terrible job. VJ no in game adjustments. Challenges that shouldnt be thrown. All kinds of procedural issues. No mental toughness. Lack of fundamentals. All on the Coaching Staff.

Losing is like a cancer. This has to be quelled somehow. Wolfe's comments are indicative of this problem. "Its something deeper that i cant understand" ? Terrible.

He is no leader of men i tell you that.

Yesterday he said all changes are in the table less than 24 hrs after he said there will be no changes. Guy is a complete embarassment and a walking contradiction.

The secondary said the plan going into the game against the Rams was to let Gurly run all over us, to stop the pass. Who the F comes up with a plan like that? VJ.

I used to defend him, as most rookie coaches that fail to start but no more. He could be a decent DC, given time. I believe he called many of the plays against the Chiefs but I hope it's on another team....

Originally Posted by G_Money

Denver has quite a bit of talent IMO, just missing in a few key positions. Still, that can be overcome with good coaching. This is... the opposite of that. The problem is that all phases need to be evaluated, but all are interlocked. Is the talent not as good as we think and it's making the coaching staff look even worse? Are the coaches kneecapping a fairly decent roster? Can anything progress with Elway at the helm, considering the players and coaches he has picked over the years and who he has let go?

Honestly this most recent draft class is saving Elway at the moment. It's the single thing he has to hang his hat on since Manning retired, and even there he could have gone with a QB to build around in this last draft and chose not to. That looks like genius if Chad Kelly is Phillip Rivers - but if he's Rivers, then shouldn't he be starting soon? Denver has a mauler run game so far - in the spare moments it has been deployed - and Kelly is a mobile QB on a team with plenty of non-TE targets. But pass protection is an issue; to overcome it you would want coaches who can design mobile pockets and cater to the talents on the roster. Instead Denver has this:

So assuming Elway gets at least another year out of this regardless (because he's a legend not just in this town but every town and this team won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago) he has to figure out what to do with the coaching staff the rest of the way. No sense tearing the entire team down with your QB position only overpriced for one more season, especially if you can get one more restock draft like Denver had last year. But it all depends on Kelly, and whether he's the real deal or just John Kitna, as was recently suggested to me. Because Denver is staring at another potential top pick in next year's draft and there will be another QB option - though probably not as good as some options in this draft.

Are any of them better than Kelly? That is a question Denver absolutely needs answered this year. If it's a lost year - and it looks like it will be if the Broncos of the first five games keep playing this way - then Elway has to know whether his backup QB is his QBOTF or not. And that's true regardless of who is giving the stupid press conferences after losses.

If the Broncos lose in blowout fashion to the Rams as expected, Denver has to decide what they want to do with this season. They'd rather not start Kelly on a four-day gameplan against the Cardinals, assuming Keenum is healthy, and you'd prefer for his first start not to be in KC at the end of the month despite having a 10 day prep time. That would leave the 11/4 home game against the Texans as the "soft landing" for Kelly if everything is a disaster and the Broncos go winless in October.

Can they wait that long? Will they be bold enough to sack Keenum even halfway through the season for Mr. Irrelevant?

For Denver's sake - even if Keenum is being held back by the coaching staff and this isn't his fault - Denver is going to need some bold moves from Elway if this year goes the way it looks like it's going. That's not a rebuild, it's just accountability and duty to the team. No excuses.

This.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I am in the rebuild camp unless $wag shows me more. I'd be thrilled to see him play.

The problem is that he'd have to play for VJ and Musgrave, so I'm not sure I'll see much with which to judge. My gut is that Chad is ultimately limited, but there's enough there to give him a serious look.

If Kelly is not the answer, the veteran turnover plus rookie QB spin-up means the team is competitive in 2020, so plan your roster accordingly.

He's certainly got more upside than Keenum. And he was a killer in big games. I'd love to see what he can do, also.

Originally Posted by Buff

Rebuild is obvious... The word nobody wants to hear is "tanking" - and that's what we ought to be doing as part of our rebuild. Do not @ me.

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Originally Posted by slim

Nah, it is a gay name no matter how you slice it

Is it as gay as a gay man lusting after TB in a bar, though?

Otherwise, I'll switch to the Major Tom reason. Sounds much better.

Originally Posted by slim

Nah, it is a gay name no matter how you slice it

Yeah. You can do gayer. Let slim pick for you. If he doesn't, go with Vance Choadsoft. Then if VJ miraculously turns it around, change it to Vance Growstiff.

Any chance someone can make the nasty word we want to hear thread?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Any chance someone can make the nasty word we want to hear thread?

I was once banned for this.