Thread: Do you have any hope for Keenum?

Originally Posted by Northman

Agreed. Up until yesterday the line has played much better and even had some good moments yesterday. A lot of the problems were their protection schemes and Keenum's holding onto the ball for far too long.

The fact that we are even able to see and/or complain about how long Keenum was holding the ball says a lot.

Originally Posted by wayninja

The fact that we are even able to see and/or complain about how long Keenum was holding the ball says a lot.

Yeah it says that you guys can't evaluate o-line play very well!

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

That and the fact that our play calling was quite bad, every time freeman had momentum we would call a long pass play with a long route and keenum would hold the ball too long and our OL was under siege. We should have run much more yesterday then we did. Freeman looked good.

Yeah - there was one play, i think it was on 3rd and 2, instead of feeding freeman, they tried a cute throw into the flat - which surprisingly failed miserably

Originally Posted by Buff

Yeah it says that you guys can't evaluate o-line play very well!

True, I'm too busy fixing a sandwich waiting for keenum to go through reads.

Originally Posted by wayninja

True, I'm too busy fixing a sandwich waiting for keenum to go through reads.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

He was holding the ball trying to make a play downfield. Its a team game folks, CK isnt the only reason they lost.

He's horrible at playmaking. He's supposedly good at not turning the ball over. Case is so busy trying to show that he's the man he's letting the team down. His ego is killing the team.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Bolles has struggled and he has not been a bright spot. You're kidding yourself if you think he was a 'brick wall' and i question if you even watched the first two games or any of last year. He gets blown up on the reg. He needs to play better, like everyone else.

He gave up no sacks and iirc had no penalties. Fans were stoked about his performance. This isn't an accurate summation of the first two games, Shazam. You're trying to squint and rescue Keenum.

Originally Posted by King87

He gave up no sacks and iirc had no penalties. Fans were stoked about his performance. This isn't an accurate summation of the first two games, Shazam. You're trying to squint and rescue Keenum.

He had 1 penalty I believe.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Keenum too has to play smarter but he was panicky because he was afraid of getting killed. You guys make out like he is operating behind Nalen and Schlereth and the 90s Broncos. They run better but Freeman and Lindsay have been effective too, thats the big difference.

Theyre a liability in pass prot. Plain and simple.

You seem to think that anything less than the Washington Redskins hog line means that a QB is about to die. One of his biggest saving graces was ball security and performance against blitzes and the pass rush. The vikings pass pro was average last year.

Now he's unable to do that. Mostly because he's looking down the field trying ot make a play. He's not that guy. He's trying to be that guy. He's pressing.

If we're to accept that kind of play then Chad Kelly is definitely the guy to play. And I say that willing to take all the stupid mistakes Kelly will commit. We're approaching the same territory as before where we are wasting time letting undertalented guys play when you might as well hope the talented guy can come through.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

This goes against was was reported that John was ready to clean house and Ellis tasked him out of it at the eleventh hour.

Howso? I'm talking about hiring Vance in the first place. John was obsessed with him from the time we interviewed him for our DC position. So as soon as he became available all our focus was on him rather than Kyle or Lynn or McVey. And again we essentially fired Wade so we could hang onto this young stud position coach who has led a disappointing group for a little over a year now.

Originally Posted by Buff

Bolles had an all time bad performance yesterday. Just about as bad as it can possibly get for an o-lineman. How many passes are we going to give him?

My big concern heading into this year was that we basically added Veldheer and declared last year's o-line fixed. Clearly, that's not the case.

He gave up a sack and a hold. The other hold was because CK was playing poorly.

So if a sack and a hold is is as bad as it can get....no...it's not.

Bolles had a rough rookie year. He had two good games and one bad game, not some all time awful game.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Two good games? It was 2 wins against horrible teams at home. It was smoke and mirrors my friend. Denver's talent overcame bad coaching in weeks 1 and 2. This team has more talent than most of the teams in the NFL. It won't finish better than .500, and that's only if VJ gets fired at the bye.

Was referring to Bolles.

There is a bit of irony here. The argument or notion seems to be that because Suggs went off we of course could not have won the game, and it's not on Keenum.

But we've seen our great defensive players go off while we lose the game. In both instances, we had subpar quarterbacking.

We've self-consigned ourselves, it seems.

Originally Posted by Northman

Agreed. Up until yesterday the line has played much better and even had some good moments yesterday. A lot of the problems were their protection schemes and Keenum's holding onto the ball for far too long.

Lets not forget that the line looked better through the first handful of games last year too. Despite and early claim in this thread, TS didn't have a lot of sacks or hurries through the first two games last year. It was around this time the wheels fell off because TS was holding the ball for too long trying to make a play and walking right into the defenders due to a lack of pocket awareness...

Yesterday looked very similar to game 3 last year.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

Lets not forget that the line looked better through the first handful of games last year too. Despite and early claim in this thread, TS didn't have a lot of sacks or hurries through the first two games last year. It was around this time the wheels fell off because TS was holding the ball for too long trying to make a play and walking right into the defenders due to a lack of pocket awareness...

Yesterday looked very similar to game 3 last year.

Which makes sense because teams start to game plan better as the year goes on and because our coaching staff cant adjust and our QB's shit themselves it all just starts falling apart.