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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    I never finished watching the game, what happened? I saw they won though.
    They won, but...

    Intercepted a pass and while being tackled at the two, the linebacker fumbled it forward out of the end zone so, though they did nothing to deserve possession of the football, Cal got the ball on their own 20.
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    What is this, amateur hour? It's TNF against the Jets and you didn't think you'd need extra booze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    They won, but...

    Intercepted a pass and while being tackled at the two, the linebacker fumbled it forward out of the end zone so, though they did nothing to deserve possession of the football, Cal got the ball on their own 20.
    That is the dumbest rule in football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    At least the Arizona 'stop' girl smiled when the camera pointed at her. LSU fans are depressed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    They won, but...

    Intercepted a pass and while being tackled at the two, the linebacker fumbled it forward out of the end zone so, though they did nothing to deserve possession of the football, Cal got the ball on their own 20.
    I’m not sure why this is dumb. The intercepting team was responsible for the ball being in the end zone in the first place so what ever happens there it’s on them. Had the offensive team fallen on the ball in the end zone it still would have been a touchback. Don’t want to lose the ball? Don’t fumble it,
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikerman View Post
    I’m not sure why this is dumb. The intercepting team was responsible for the ball being in the end zone in the first place so what ever happens there it’s on them. Had the offensive team fallen on the ball in the end zone it still would have been a touchback. Don’t want to lose the ball? Don’t fumble it,
    But they didn't fall on it in the endzone. They never possessed the ball, but got it back. There's no reason that a fumble by a team at the goalline that goes out of the endzone rather than out at the one should then turn the ball over. There's no difference between the two, except for that one is a few yards further. The team who receives the ball does nothing to deserve possession. It's a bad rule.

    Edit/Add: The rule was applied correctly. The referees did nothing wrong.
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    What is this, amateur hour? It's TNF against the Jets and you didn't think you'd need extra booze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    But they didn't fall on it in the endzone. They never possessed the ball, but got it back. There's no reason that a fumble by a team at the goalline that goes out of the endzone rather than out at the one should then turn the ball over. There's no difference between the two, except for that one is a few yards further. The team who receives the ball does nothing to deserve possession. It's a bad rule.
    Where would you put it? It didn’t go out of bounds between the goal lines so it won’t revert to where he fumbled it. I think there are some bad rules, but this isn’t one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikerman View Post
    Where would you put it? It didn’t go out of bounds between the goal lines so it won’t revert to where he fumbled it. I think there are some bad rules, but this isn’t one of them.
    You put the ball where you put every fumbled ball forward that goes out of bounds. Spot of the fumble. Can you give me a reason why that's so punitive?
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    What is this, amateur hour? It's TNF against the Jets and you didn't think you'd need extra booze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    You put the ball where you put every fumbled ball forward that goes out of bounds. Spot of the fumble. Can you give me a reason why that's so punitive?
    The ball is dead either way, the ball is treated differently once it goes in the end zone. Let’s say the offense fumbled the ball and it went out of the back of the end zone. Are you in favor of that being a safety? I can’t get into the theory behind the rule because, frankly, I don’t know what it is. I just think that rewarding the team for not protecting the ball near the goal line would be a much worse rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikerman View Post
    The ball is dead either way, the ball is treated differently once it goes in the end zone. Let’s say the offense fumbled the ball and it went out of the back of the end zone. Are you in favor of that being a safety? I can’t get into the theory behind the rule because, frankly, I don’t know what it is. I just think that rewarding the team for not protecting the ball near the goal line would be a much worse rule.
    That is a rule, isn’t it? If the offensive team fumbles out of their own end zone, it’s a safety. That makes sense. You’re punished for going backwards.

    The only way the opposing team should be able to gain possession of a football should be to actually gain possession of a football.

    I accept on downs, there’s a reason for that, which is to maintain game flow and encourage teams to get first downs instead of running the equivalence of a Dean Smith four corners offense.

    There’s no reason that fumbling out of your opponents end zone should be so punitive.
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    What is this, amateur hour? It's TNF against the Jets and you didn't think you'd need extra booze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    That is a rule, isn’t it? If the offensive team fumbles out of their own end zone, it’s a safety. That makes sense. You’re punished for going backwards.

    The only way the opposing team should be able to gain possession of a football should be to actually gain possession of a football.

    I accept on downs, there’s a reason for that, which is to maintain game flow and encourage teams to get first downs instead of running the equivalence of a Dean Smith four corners offense.

    There’s no reason that fumbling out of your opponents end zone should be so punitive.
    Yes, that is the rule, but I’m confused, in the scenario where the offense fumbles it out of bounds the defense didn’t gain possession and not only will they get 2 points, they’ll get possession. On a normal backwards fumble the offense can recover. It’s the same thing in my mind.
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    Just as an aside, I’m not saying you’re wrong. The rules are confusing and somewhat arbitrary. If you think this is confusing, try reading part of the rulebook if you can get your hands on one. They’re very much written in legalese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikerman View Post
    Yes, that is the rule, but I’m confused, in the scenario where the offense fumbles it out of bounds the defense didn’t gain possession and not only will they get 2 points, they’ll get possession. On a normal backwards fumble the offense can recover. It’s the same thing in my mind.
    But you’re being punished for going backwards too far. That makes sense.

    In this case you’re losing the football because you went forward too far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    Can’t acknowledge or “incite” the fans in the stands, either. College players have to be careful how much they celebrate with home fans too.
    Yep, we’re always on the lookout for TD celebrations, but I thought the “horns down” UNS was weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    But you’re being punished for going backwards too far. That makes sense.

    In this case you’re losing the football because you went forward too far?
    I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikerman View Post
    Yep, we’re always on the lookout for TD celebrations, but I thought the “horns down” UNS was weak.
    I was watching a Wash state HS game on Friday night......Kennedy vs Puyallup. A kid made a touchdown, his teammate ran up to do the chest bump, and the ref threw the flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. I was like WTF....really.

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