Thread: The root of Elway's problem finding the right QB

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

The root of Elway's problems finding a QB is that it's difficult finding a QB, especially when you draft in the 20's most years.

Teams like the Jets have been searching for one since Joe Namath, the Bears, since Sid Luckman. You just have to keep trying different guys and hope you eventually get lucky.

Basically this. Elway only came to the Broncos because they were horrible in 1982 and had the #4 pick of the draft, but Baltimore had the #1 pick and Elway refused to play for Irsay and joined the NY Yankees farm team. He was ready to walk and stay out of football for a year and re-enter the draft again the next year or never - he was willing to stay in baseball, forcing a trade.

And the Colts only got Andrew Luck because Manning got hurt, and the rest of their team was so horrible they lost 14 games and got the #1 pick, after firing both their coach and GM, right at the exact time that the best QB prospect since Peyton entered the NFL draft.

Other than something blind obvious like Luck, or other highly touted prospects (Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers, etc.) you have to get lucky. Sometimes you draft Russell Wilson in the 3rd round, and sometimes you wind up with Brock Osweiler in the 2nd.

There's just no way to know in advance. If there was Russell Wilson would have been the first or second pick of the draft, not fallen to the third round. Dak Prescott would have been drafted in the first, not the 4th round, Drew Brees would never have fallen to the 2nd round, Jimmy Grapolo would not have gone with the 62nd pick of the 2nd round, Aaron Rogers would never have fallen to #24, and of course, Tom Brady would never have lasted till the 6th round!

First, he picked Osweiler. Then Osweiler played well enough that everybody thought he might be very good, then he went to Houston, leaving the Broncos with NO future QB.

Then they drafted the best QB available to them, they had zero shot at either Goff or Wentz, they took the 3rd QB. After Paxton was drafted #26, the Jets drafted Christian Hackenburg, #51, and Patriots drafted Jacoby Brissett #91 in the third round. All these teams passed on Prescott multiple times.

So, it's not stone obvious from the start that Lynch couldn't play. It's only in retrospect that we see it for the colossal blunder and waste of two seasons it actually was.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

To play Devils Advocate tho, how many top tier highly touted and highly paid QBs never made it

Well yes.

But he isn’t even lucky.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

To play Devils Advocate tho, how many top tier highly touted and highly paid QBs never made it

How many highly touted QBs have been drafted by train wrecks, like the Browns?

Originally Posted by FanInAZ

Originally Posted by Shazam!

To play Devils Advocate tho, how many top tier highly touted and highly paid QBs never made it

How many highly touted QBs have been drafted by train wrecks, like the Browns?

...but they were wrecked by a putrid organization. Like David Carr when he was in Houston for example. His confidence was shattered and he was shellshocked from the beating he took. Sometimes its the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

...but they were wrecked by a putrid organization. Like David Carr when he was in Houston for example. His confidence was shattered and he was shellshocked from the beating he took. Sometimes its the circumstances.

That was my point.

He's just bad at finding QB's. They're hard to find, but he's also bad at it. He's better in FA than he is at drafting, and he's an average drafter.

He may have found one...

Originally Posted by Shazam!

He may have found one...

Kelly would be such an awesome story, man.

FFS, redemption stories are one of the most American things ever!

Originally Posted by King87

He's just bad at finding QB's. They're hard to find, but he's also bad at it. He's better in FA than he is at drafting, and he's an average drafter.

He's certainly made horrible draft day decisions in the past (Lynch, Montee Ball, Sylvester Williams, Ty Sambrailo, Michael Schofield, Carlos Henderson, Cody Latimer) to name a few.

But, he's also made some decent picks. Even David Williams, his 7th round RB is looking like he can play in this league and will undoubtedly find a team if the Broncos cut him.

The root of Elway's problem finding the right QB

....teams don't just cut Hall of Fame quarterbacks like they used to.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

The root of Elway's problem finding the right QB

....teams don't just cut Hall of Fame quarterbacks like they used to.

Its more than that. See Lynch BS

Sure...Elway is bad a finding qb’s at the spots they were picking. In order the get the guys you all want they would have given away the farm. Outside the top 2-3 in every draft they are all projects. Very very few blossom into studs outside of the top dogs.

Time will tell if they should have taken one this year instead of Chubb.

Originally Posted by nevcraw

Sure...Elway is bad a finding qb’s at the spots they were picking. In order the get the guys you all want they would have given away the farm. Outside the top 2-3 in every draft they are all projects. Very very few blossom into studs outside of the top dogs.

Time will tell if they should have taken one this year instead of Chubb.

Rosen and Allen were available. Im just saying.

Allen looked solid in his first game experience.

Rosen not so much and it was said that Rosen was the most NFL ready. You just never know sometimes.

However there's a lot of football to be played before determining whose what. Chubb will be one of the greats but until we find a franchise quarterback we're going to have that cloud over our head's. The elite quarterback is the best way too be relevant year in year out for contention.

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

Well yes.

But he isn’t even lucky.

One could argue that he is lucky, because Manning fell in his lap.