Thread: Suicides now the 10th leading cause of deaths in US

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

True, but the vast majority are genuinely good people that really care for others.

The vast majority are complicit in their silence.

Originally Posted by Nomad

Now.....Joe would you just hug King this once, so he feels better.

I would love to hug King. Not sure my arms are long enough though...

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

True, but the vast majority are genuinely good people that really care for others.

Everyone has both. And even 'good' people do awful things. You might have someone who is a great father but a miserable husband. Or someone who is a wonderful boss but a horrid daughter/son. It goes on and on.

And honestly the 'caring' part of people falls short so much. We're garbage - it's up to the people who care to try to work for a better world and build it. That's a shitty and slow disgusting grind which often comes to fruition as those people who did the work die off.

That's the negative part of it.

But the positive part is that changes do occur - they become demonstrative. And now that we know more about the human brain there are advances. Slowly but surely getting mental health help is less frowned upon. And while everyone does awful shit that they'd be ashamed of if they were being honest, we can often find that the good can outweigh the bad, and even the bad do make some sort of effort. It's a ball game. If both parts are in play, you just pick the one you want and work for it while not being a blind idealistic person.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

The vast majority are complicit in their silence.

Explain yourself.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

The vast majority are complicit in their silence.

At least in the state of Alaska, it's extremely hard to take a child away from abusive parents. What's a person to do?

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

The first mistake you make is you view their situation, through your eyes, finding options, solutions and alternatives available to you, in your current state of mind, physical health, affluence and with the resilience you have gained from any trauma you may or may not have encountered.

That's your truth.

Theirs is very different.

There is so much to day on this topic, rather than provide a Joel length post, I'll do it in bites.

No one likes teeth dave

Originally Posted by King87

Everyone has both. And even 'good' people do awful things. You might have someone who is a great father but a miserable husband. Or someone who is a wonderful boss but a horrid daughter/son. It goes on and on.

And honestly the 'caring' part of people falls short so much. We're garbage - it's up to the people who care to try to work for a better world and build it. That's a shitty and slow disgusting grind which often comes to fruition as those people who did the work die off.

That's the negative part of it.

But the positive part is that changes do occur - they become demonstrative. And now that we know more about the human brain there are advances. Slowly but surely getting mental health help is less frowned upon. And while everyone does awful shit that they'd be ashamed of if they were being honest, we can often find that the good can outweigh the bad, and even the bad do make some sort of effort. It's a ball game. If both parts are in play, you just pick the one you want and work for it while not being a blind idealistic person.

I don't and won't believe this garbage for longer than 1 second. You're generalizing too much. Most people - at least in my experience - are good hearted, stand up individuals who would help someone through a crisis if necessary, or do what they could to help them.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

I would love to hug King. Not sure my arms are long enough though...

It would have to be a unified effort, such as a group hug.

Love ya, King.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Explain yourself.

People convince themselves doing nothing is ok, or they refuse to acknowledge what's going on. For the most part nothing terrible happens and those people go about their lives believing themselves to be good moral people.

But when a child dies, or a spouse is hospitalised...... The case always is filled with accounts from those close to the family staying "one time I saw....". But they choose to do nothing at the time. They are complicit in their silence. The only difference between them and the others, the others don't get to feel guilty about it for the rest of their lives

I would normally say these threads should focus just on the macro, but considering my belly, these fat jokes are fair play.

To add to Val's post to UR - you might see situations and be able to play 'chess' with them, but keep in mind that in your mind you're sacrificing another person's pawns.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Most people - at least in my experience - are good hearted, stand up individuals who would help someone through a crisis if necessary, or do what they could to help them.

Only if they fit a very specific criteria that is important to the person helping

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

I don't and won't believe this garbage for longer than 1 second. You're generalizing too much. Most people - at least in my experience - are good hearted, stand up individuals who would help someone through a crisis if necessary, or do what they could to help them.

Half the post was just positive. You call me out for generalizing and then cite to your experiences. That's dirty pool, but I didn't provide citations, either.

A person with mental illness wants to stay alive, while also constantly thinking no one wants them and they're better off dead. It's a struggle. Most people don't want to die.

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

A person with mental illness wants to stay alive, while also constantly thinking no one wants them and they're better off dead. It's a struggle. Most people don't want to die.

Boom

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

A person with mental illness wants to stay alive, while also constantly thinking no one wants them and they're better off dead. It's a struggle. Most people don't want to die.

Damn, I wish I was that succinct