Thread: Chris Harris hopes Broncos don’t draft a QB at No. 5

Sorry, Chris. It is inevitable.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You really do have some nerve about you, Hawg.

The decision points upon which to choose PL required a higher one-season expected loss total. Hard to fault a coach for those choices, perhaps Elway should have interceded, but his job is to pick the coaches.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

The decision points upon which to choose PL required a higher one-season expected loss total. Hard to fault a coach for those choices, perhaps Elway should have interceded, but his job is to pick the coaches.

Revisionist my foot.

The decision points upon which one is a better choice. To go with a one season higher total is a caveat of that, and a determination in and of itself. The defense played at times out of it's freaking mind and we tripped in 9 wins. And please don't forget how awful we were at the end of that season, too. We cannibalized the future to try to contend when the team was already becoming a shell of itself. I said the scope was wrong then, and I'm saying it now as we continue to chase after the postseason with a bad and declining roster.

When do you start PL? After the loss to the Falcons under Kubiak's regime, after the Kubiak struggle with TS, opening day 2017? Kubiak wanted to make the playoffs and TS was the better choice for that. In 2017, PL's ankle and shoulder injuries kept him from being a possibility during opening day and later in the season. I don't like your tone.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

When do you start PL? After the loss to the Falcons under Kubiak's regime, after the Kubiak struggle with TS, opening day 2017? Kubiak wanted to make the playoffs and TS was the better choice for that. In 2017, PL's ankle and shoulder injuries kept him from being a possibility during opening day and later in the season. I don't like your tone.

As soon as possible so you can actually develop him? Kubiak was supposed to be a guru at QB development, we lost pieces on defense, the offense was obviously a wreck, his job wasn't in jeopardy, and it was time to find the next QBOTF instead of a bastardized and half-baked attempt at contention (we're doing that again, it looks like). Or maybe, I don't know, after TS completely hit the wall and became ineffective? Maybe, I don't know, at the absolute minimum the last game of the season? You know the one where Kubiak said it was on him for not getting PL playing time?

I don't like your tone and I don't like the fact that you'll always start with some accusation of me doing something wrong (oh, you're a stats guy now) or calling me revisionist when those accusations don't actually work.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

As soon as possible so you can actually develop him? Kubiak was supposed to be a guru at QB development, we lost pieces on defense, the offense was obviously a wreck, his job wasn't in jeopardy, and it was time to find the next QBOTF instead of a bastardized and half-baked attempt at contention (we're doing that again, it looks like). Or maybe, I don't know, after TS completely hit the wall and became ineffective? Maybe, I don't know, at the absolute minimum the last game of the season? You know the one where Kubiak said it was on him for not getting PL playing time?

I don't like your tone and I don't like the fact that you'll always start with some accusation of me doing something wrong (oh, you're a stats guy now) or calling me revisionist when those accusations don't actually work.

Still drawing the stats card, huh? You're really burned because you had no answer for the stats, aren't you?

Nonetheless, I'm not sure any of us knows what you're arguing. What did the Broncos have to choose from?
You're holding it against the defense because Trevor was favored. So what was the alternative? So now
they all have bad taste? The majority of us seem to agree with them.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

As soon as possible so you can actually develop him? Kubiak was supposed to be a guru at QB development, we lost pieces on defense, the offense was obviously a wreck, his job wasn't in jeopardy, and it was time to find the next QBOTF instead of a bastardized and half-baked attempt at contention (we're doing that again, it looks like). Or maybe, I don't know, after TS completely hit the wall and became ineffective? Maybe, I don't know, at the absolute minimum the last game of the season? You know the one where Kubiak said it was on him for not getting PL playing time?

I don't like your tone and I don't like the fact that you'll always start with some accusation of me doing something wrong (oh, you're a stats guy now) or calling me revisionist when those accusations don't actually work.

Yes, the meaningless Raider game 16 of 2017 was an opportunity to get Lynch snaps. But Kubiak was the coach and he did his thing. Part of being a HC is your bond with players, and I'll defer to his judgment in playing TS. Kubiak has earned that much. But even he admitted the need to get Lynch snaps, so maybe it was wrong.

Otherwise, point to the time when Lynch should have started. After the loss to KC in 2016? That actually makes some sense.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yes, the meaningless Raider game 16 of 2017 was an opportunity to get Lynch snaps. But Kubiak was the coach and he did his thing. Part of being a HC is your bond with players, and I'll defer to his judgment in playing TS. Kubiak has earned that much. But even he admitted the need to get Lynch snaps, so maybe it was wrong.

Otherwise, point to the time when Lynch should have started. After the loss to KC in 2016? That actually makes some sense.

He should have started from day 1. We wasted 2 years because he didn't.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yes, the meaningless Raider game 16 of 2017 was an opportunity to get Lynch snaps. But Kubiak was the coach and he did his thing. Part of being a HC is your bond with players, and I'll defer to his judgment in playing TS. Kubiak has earned that much. But even he admitted the need to get Lynch snaps, so maybe it was wrong.

Otherwise, point to the time when Lynch should have started. After the loss to KC in 2016? That actually makes some sense.

Let me make this abundantly clear - he should have been named the starter early on and played when he was healthy. And seeing how bad TS was in his respective first year, the fact that he was the starter last year was laughable. I'm not longer capitulating.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Uh - who's the better talent?

Than who?

PL is a better talent than TS.

And I’m a better talent than CK.

Originally Posted by slim

He should have started from day 1. We wasted 2 years because he didn't.

This is why I hate TS so much and it's not even his fault.

Originally Posted by slim

He should have started from day 1. We wasted 2 years because he didn't.

Yeah, I like that answer too in hindsight.

I agree with Chris here.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yeah, I like that answer too in hindsight.

It was even before when people were arguing for it as it was happening and before the season started. Let's not actually revise history here. Actually, your statement could be interpreted to not be snarky or sophist, but I'm still triggered by your douchery.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

It was even before when people were arguing for it as it was happening and before the season started. Let's not actually revise history here. Actually, your statement could be interpreted to not be snarky or sophist, but I'm still triggered by your douchery.

You are too upset about all this. My point is that you are making statements in hindsight that ignore the reality of all the points along the way. TS was the better QB at each point in time. Your central idea is that the Broncos should have just thrown in the towel for two years to see what PL has. Easy to say looking backwards.