Thread: What is a "Franchise QB"?

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

Everybody is certain that they know what's going to happen coaches point is that no one truly knows

Sooooo than the thread was pointless?

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

depending on your standards of the definition.

I think this is really all it boils down to and that is an individual's perception. People can go back and forth all day on this subject but it wont change anyone's mind about what actually makes a franchise QB. I mean, the discussion here is basically the same one we have been having regarding Bronco QB's for years now.

Originally Posted by Northman

Sooooo than the thread was pointless?

Actually, helping people realize that not one knows what a franchise QB is until he legitimately becomes a franchise QB (regardless of what we think), was the absolute point of the thread.

Mission accomplished.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Actually, helping people realize that not one knows what a franchise QB is until he legitimately becomes a franchise QB (regardless of what we think), was the absolute point of the thread.

Mission accomplished.

I dont know if you actually helped anyone realize anything to be honest. If its all about one's perception than i think it was already realized a long time ago. In other words, my perception is i knew pretty early that John Elway was special and knew he would be a franchise kind of guy. With Keenum, my perception right now is he is Trevor Siemian at worst and Rich Gannon at best. But its all about perception.

As we know football is a team sport.

A Franchise QB in my opinion is a guy that wins the games he should and puts the team on his back to win some he shouldn't.

Originally Posted by Northman

Sooooo than the thread was pointless?

If that's all you got out of it, it was pointless for your sake anyway.

I thought it was a good discussion.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

If that's all you got out of it, it was pointless for your sake anyway.

I thought it was a good discussion.

The discussions are always good on here as when it comes to QB's we have quite a few of them. Im just not sure i think it really enlightened anyone in any particular way. If at the end the consensus was that its just subjective and opinionated i can only say. Um ok. I think we all pretty much knew that right ?

Originally Posted by topscribe

Pro Football Reference has Keenum at 6'2", 209 lbs.

"Sally-armed"? I suppose you mean weak? Well, maybe, but he did break most of the passing
records in college, many that still stand, and his stats (yes, stats) from last year revealed at
least a good enough arm to make all the throws, as I've heard more than once about him.

Top, what you don’t know about CK is staggering.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Top, what you don’t know about CK is staggering.

So tell me, what did I say about Keenum's college record that you disagree with? That
he broke all kinds of passing records? Check it out!

What did I say about anything that you can rebut? I personally have heard and read that
Keenum "can make all the throws" from Elway, Kubiak, VJ, Peyton Manning, Emmanuel
Sanders, Stefon Diggs, and Mike Zimmer himself.

Your saying I don't know Keenum is not any kind of rebuttal. It's just something you felt
you had to post, apparently, because you have no argument. In fact, I'm still looking for
an argument from either you or King.

As a bonus, here is a video that demonstrates Keenum's rag arm.

This video demonstrates the dramatic upgrade the Broncos incurred by signing Keenum
(Be sure to check out 2:35 where the narrator says, "It's these kinds of throws from Case
Keenum . . . that have the Broncos excited about their future.")
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A, he’s nowhere near 6’-2”
B, college stats from a horizontal offense is in no/way/shape/form a measure of arm strength.
C, dude is a rag arm, easily the weakest of any starter in the NFL. We can go through any scouting report you want and you won’t find a single one that says he can make every NFL throw. Besides that, watch the ******* games. Seriously people, go watch the games.
D, anyone saying he has anything remotely close to average arm strength is spitting lip service like a fire hose.

What the **** ever.

“Limited arm strength. Small, competitive system QB with a popgun arm whose production will earn him a look” — Nolan Nawrocki

“Average (at best) arm strength”— NFL Draft Scout

“Borderline measurables, arm strength and pro physical skills”— Ourlads

“Below average arm strength, Ball tends to hang on deeper throws and can get into trouble when tries to thread the needle”— Scouts Inc (ESPN)

Originally Posted by Jaded

A, he’s nowhere near 6’-2”

Doesn't make any difference. The point is, can he play football? He has shown he can, and then some.

B, college stats from a horizontal offense is in no/way/shape/form a measure of arm strength.

Doesn't make any difference. It does show he can complete passes and break records doing it. And last
year's performance shows that he can pass with the best of them. I have proof behind me. You have words.

C, dude is a rag arm, easily the weakest of any starter in the NFL. We can go through any scouting report you want and you won’t find a single one that says he can make every NFL throw. Besides that, watch the ******* games. Seriously people, go watch the games.

I saw at least a half dozen of his games last year. Full games. And I have studied everything
else about him that is available. Everything. You want to say he has a rag arm. Fine. So scouting
reports don't say he can make every throw? Fine. Does one of them say he can't? I didn't read
that from scouting reports. I have personally heard and read it from people who know him, who
have spent every day with him, in games and in practices, for full seasons and from others who
have played quarterback and wide receiver . . . you know, people who know quarterbacks.

D, anyone saying he has anything remotely close to average arm strength is spitting lip service like a fire hose.

Doesn't make any difference. As I said, he broke all kinds of passing records in college. And
last year, he completed 67% of his passes for 3,547 yards (over 14 games, not 16) and lodged a
3:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a 98.3 passer rating and the #2 QBR in the league. All this says he can
really pass the ball, much more credibly than your testimony, borne of . . . what?

Watch the vids I provided in my last post, just for kicks . . .
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I’ve watched every game he played for Vikings Top, he’s a scrub, he went undrafted for a reason.

“Doesn’t make a difference” ... you’re the one posting stats and suggesting that proves ANYTHING. Doesn’t make a difference is a good way of summarizing my responses you, you stole my response. Thief ... sinner!

“He threw for a bagillion Miles in college, he couldn’t do that if he didn’t have the strongest arm in the history of ever”— Top

“Stats in a college spread doesn’t measure arm strength” — Jaded

“Makes no difference” — Top

Top, those “People who know QB’s” are flat out lying to you.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...num?id=2532888

Originally Posted by Jaded

I’ve watched every game he played for Vikings Top, he’s a scrub, he went undrafted for a reason.

“Doesn’t make a difference” ... you’re the one posting stats and suggesting that proves ANYTHING. Doesn’t make a difference is a good way of summarizing my responses you, you stole my response. Thief ... sinner!

“He threw for a bagillion Miles in college, he couldn’t do that if he didn’t have the strongest arm in the history of ever”— Top

“Stats in a college spread doesn’t measure arm strength” — Jaded

“Makes no difference” — Top

Top, those “People who know QB’s” are flat out lying to you.

Right. Elway, Kubiak, VJ, Emmanuel, Diggs, and Zimmer are liars. Simply because they
don't want me to know the truth.

It doesn't make any difference how you spin it. Keenum has already proven it. You can argue
until you're blue in the face. It doesn't alter the history. You know, you said I don't know
anything about Keenum, Yet I wrote a 750 word article about him that you refused to read.
How ironic. Go figure. Keep on spinning, Jaded.

And if you are going to put quotation marks around words you attribute to me, try to be
honest and quote me as I said it. It's bad enough that you tore it out of context. Don't try to
make me look like a fool. You're only making a fool of yourself. You only weaken your
argument when you're already at a disadvantage.
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