Thread: What is a "Franchise QB"?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I'm not sure what you're arguing. I get that stats aren't the be all, end all, but all of these quarterbacks are franchise quarterbacks. You're listing off Hall of Famers.

We agree. I'm not arguing, other than stating that stats aren't the primary factor in determining what a franchise QB is.

I always thought of an Elite franchise QB as a guy that if all things were equal you would either not trade away for any other QB or it would at least be a very painful decision to have to make. By "all things being equal" I am mostly referring to age and contract status. In other words I would probably not trade a 25 year old Tom Brady for a 25 year old Peyton Manning if one was already on my team and familiar with my system.

Elite franchise QBs are pretty rare. Right now there are, per my definition of the term, 3.

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees

Franchise QBs in the next tier are guys that you would trade straight up for the above guys but not for anyone else. And some of these guys may very well end up in the above list but aren't there yet

Carson Wentz
Big Ben
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Andrew Luck (if healthy)
Phillip Rivers


The Next tier is my last tier of Franchise QBs and these are guys that you would trade for any of the above as well as a 1st and some change. These guys can win you a SB with help but they all have some flaws in their game or personality(Cam Newton)

Newton
Carr
Cousins
Alex Smith
Prescott (maybe. He could move drastically up this list or completely fall off of it, it's still too early to know but I'm going to put him here for now.)

The rest of the guys in the league are just guys. Some of the young guys will eventually move up the list but for now that's how I stack it.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I always thought of an Elite franchise QB as a guy that if all things were equal you would either not trade away for any other QB or it would at least be a very painful decision to have to make. By "all things being equal" I am mostly referring to age and contract status. In other words I would probably not trade a 25 year old Tom Brady for a 25 year old Peyton Manning if one was already on my team and familiar with my system.

Elite franchise QBs are pretty rare. Right now there are, per my definition of the term, 3.

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees

Franchise QBs in the next tier are guys that you would trade straight up for the above guys but not for anyone else. And some of these guys may very well end up in the above list but aren't there yet

Carson Wentz
Big Ben
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Andrew Luck (if healthy)
Phillip Rivers


The Next tier is my last tier of Franchise QBs and these are guys that you would trade for any of the above as well as a 1st and some change. These guys can win you a SB with help but they all have some flaws in their game or personality(Cam Newton)

Newton
Carr
Cousins
Alex Smith
Prescott (maybe. He could move drastically up this list or completely fall off of it, it's still too early to know but I'm going to put him here for now.)

The rest of the guys in the league are just guys. Some of the young guys will eventually move up the list but for now that's how I stack it.

I think that's a pretty fair list. I think Garopollo and Goff could play their way onto that list.

We need a franchise QB at this time. Elway was the last franchise QB in Broncos Organization. I think Jake Plummer and Peyton Manning were temporary franchise QBs.

So, in summary, it appears everyone has their own opinion of what makes a franchise QB. Which means that no one and everyone are right at the same time. So, when someone says Mayfield WILL bust or Rosen WILL be the best or Keenum WILL suck...they have a decent idea based mostly on opinion, but in the end...they really don't know shit.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

So, in summary, it appears everyone has their own opinion of what makes a franchise QB. Which means that no one and everyone are right at the same time. So, when someone says Mayfield WILL bust or Rosen WILL be the best or Keenum WILL suck...they have a decent idea based mostly on opinion, but in the end...they really don't know shit.

Well, the management for teams don't even know, so I guess I'm not going to take any shame in having an opinion on the subject.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

So, in summary, it appears everyone has their own opinion of what makes a franchise QB. Which means that no one and everyone are right at the same time. So, when someone says Mayfield WILL bust or Rosen WILL be the best or Keenum WILL suck...they have a decent idea based mostly on opinion, but in the end...they really don't know shit.

Anyone can say they know the right information at this time of year, but it's a giant crapshoot. We form opinions based on best information available to us.

We can use past history, personality, statistics, ect... to reduce the uncertainty, but no one can every be 100 percent certain on a player (unless they drive a flying delorean)

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Well, the management for teams don't even know, so I guess I'm not going to take any shame in having an opinion on the subject.

And you shouldn't. In the same regard why you shouldn't be shamed by others or shame them for their opinion.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

Anyone can say they know the right information at this time of year, but it's a giant crapshoot. We form opinions based on best information available to us.

We can use past history, personality, statistics, ect... to reduce the uncertainty, but no one can every be 100 percent certain on a player (unless they drive a flying delorean)

True. but there are those that are convinced that Keenum WILL suck this year...or that Rosen or Mayfield or insert name here is the second coming of Christ. And if you disagree with them, they will quickly tell you why you're an idiot for not believing the same thing.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

True. but there are those that are convinced that Keenum WILL suck this year...or that Rosen or Mayfield or insert name here is the second coming of Christ. And if you disagree with them, they will quickly tell you why you're an idiot for not believing the same thing.

Well, but those people (the biggest offender knows who he is) are often trying to goad you into responding poorly to them by being as over the top in their responses as possible. They post with intent of causing as much polarization as they can, because people getting butt hurt is fun to them.

They have no soul and like to watch the world burn.

6’-0 5/8”, about 200lbs, Sally-armed, from Texas ... preferably from a Run and Shit/Air-Gayed offense. And most importantly, he’s gotta have the “It” factor.

If you have to ask if So-and-So is a franchise QB, he’s not. Maybe ... not.

Originally Posted by Jaded

6’-0 5/8”, about 200lbs, Sally-armed, from Texas ... preferably from a Run and Shit/Air-Gayed offense. And most importantly, he’s gotta have the “It” factor.

If you have to ask if So-and-So is a franchise QB, he’s not. Maybe ... not.

So Drew Brees? I would agree.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

So, in summary, it appears everyone has their own opinion of what makes a franchise QB. Which means that no one and everyone are right at the same time. So, when someone says Mayfield WILL bust or Rosen WILL be the best or Keenum WILL suck...they have a decent idea based mostly on opinion, but in the end...they really don't know shit.

Just like the people that say Keenum WON’T suck.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

So Drew Brees? I would agree.

Brees doesn’t have a popgun, bite your tongue.

FWIW, there have been plenty of facts used by both sides. Also, just because there's a disagreement doesn't mean that all the dissent is valid.