I think this is really all it boils down to and that is an individual's perception. People can go back and forth all day on this subject but it wont change anyone's mind about what actually makes a franchise QB. I mean, the discussion here is basically the same one we have been having regarding Bronco QB's for years now.
I dont know if you actually helped anyone realize anything to be honest. If its all about one's perception than i think it was already realized a long time ago. In other words, my perception is i knew pretty early that John Elway was special and knew he would be a franchise kind of guy. With Keenum, my perception right now is he is Trevor Siemian at worst and Rich Gannon at best. But its all about perception.
As we know football is a team sport.
A Franchise QB in my opinion is a guy that wins the games he should and puts the team on his back to win some he shouldn't.
Bill Williamson:
"The Broncos went from one of the more attractive organizations in the NFL to one in total disarray. McDaniels will go down as one of the most reviled figures in Denver sports history".
The discussions are always good on here as when it comes to QB's we have quite a few of them. Im just not sure i think it really enlightened anyone in any particular way. If at the end the consensus was that its just subjective and opinionated i can only say. Um ok. I think we all pretty much knew that right ?
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
So tell me, what did I say about Keenum's college record that you disagree with? That
he broke all kinds of passing records? Check it out!
What did I say about anything that you can rebut? I personally have heard and read that
Keenum "can make all the throws" from Elway, Kubiak, VJ, Peyton Manning, Emmanuel
Sanders, Stefon Diggs, and Mike Zimmer himself.
Your saying I don't know Keenum is not any kind of rebuttal. It's just something you felt
you had to post, apparently, because you have no argument. In fact, I'm still looking for
an argument from either you or King.
As a bonus, here is a video that demonstrates Keenum's rag arm.
This video demonstrates the dramatic upgrade the Broncos incurred by signing Keenum
(Be sure to check out 2:35 where the narrator says, "It's these kinds of throws from Case
Keenum . . . that have the Broncos excited about their future.")
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Last edited by topscribe; 04-25-2018 at 12:13 AM.
Though He slay me, I will trust in Him . . . (Job 13:15)
A, he’s nowhere near 6’-2”
B, college stats from a horizontal offense is in no/way/shape/form a measure of arm strength.
C, dude is a rag arm, easily the weakest of any starter in the NFL. We can go through any scouting report you want and you won’t find a single one that says he can make every NFL throw. Besides that, watch the ******* games. Seriously people, go watch the games.
D, anyone saying he has anything remotely close to average arm strength is spitting lip service like a fire hose.
What the **** ever.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
“Limited arm strength. Small, competitive system QB with a popgun arm whose production will earn him a look” — Nolan Nawrocki
“Average (at best) arm strength”— NFL Draft Scout
“Borderline measurables, arm strength and pro physical skills”— Ourlads
“Below average arm strength, Ball tends to hang on deeper throws and can get into trouble when tries to thread the needle”— Scouts Inc (ESPN)
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"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
Doesn't make any difference. The point is, can he play football? He has shown he can, and then some.
Doesn't make any difference. It does show he can complete passes and break records doing it. And lastB, college stats from a horizontal offense is in no/way/shape/form a measure of arm strength.
year's performance shows that he can pass with the best of them. I have proof behind me. You have words.
I saw at least a half dozen of his games last year. Full games. And I have studied everythingC, dude is a rag arm, easily the weakest of any starter in the NFL. We can go through any scouting report you want and you won’t find a single one that says he can make every NFL throw. Besides that, watch the ******* games. Seriously people, go watch the games.
else about him that is available. Everything. You want to say he has a rag arm. Fine. So scouting
reports don't say he can make every throw? Fine. Does one of them say he can't? I didn't read
that from scouting reports. I have personally heard and read it from people who know him, who
have spent every day with him, in games and in practices, for full seasons and from others who
have played quarterback and wide receiver . . . you know, people who know quarterbacks.
Doesn't make any difference. As I said, he broke all kinds of passing records in college. AndD, anyone saying he has anything remotely close to average arm strength is spitting lip service like a fire hose.
last year, he completed 67% of his passes for 3,547 yards (over 14 games, not 16) and lodged a
3:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a 98.3 passer rating and the #2 QBR in the league. All this says he can
really pass the ball, much more credibly than your testimony, borne of . . . what?
Watch the vids I provided in my last post, just for kicks . . .
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Last edited by topscribe; 04-25-2018 at 12:34 AM.
Though He slay me, I will trust in Him . . . (Job 13:15)
I’ve watched every game he played for Vikings Top, he’s a scrub, he went undrafted for a reason.
“Doesn’t make a difference” ... you’re the one posting stats and suggesting that proves ANYTHING. Doesn’t make a difference is a good way of summarizing my responses you, you stole my response. Thief ... sinner!
“He threw for a bagillion Miles in college, he couldn’t do that if he didn’t have the strongest arm in the history of ever”— Top
“Stats in a college spread doesn’t measure arm strength” — Jaded
“Makes no difference” — Top
Top, those “People who know QB’s” are flat out lying to you.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
Right. Elway, Kubiak, VJ, Emmanuel, Diggs, and Zimmer are liars. Simply because they
don't want me to know the truth.
It doesn't make any difference how you spin it. Keenum has already proven it. You can argue
until you're blue in the face. It doesn't alter the history. You know, you said I don't know
anything about Keenum, Yet I wrote a 750 word article about him that you refused to read.
How ironic. Go figure. Keep on spinning, Jaded.
And if you are going to put quotation marks around words you attribute to me, try to be
honest and quote me as I said it. It's bad enough that you tore it out of context. Don't try to
make me look like a fool. You're only making a fool of yourself. You only weaken your
argument when you're already at a disadvantage.
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Last edited by topscribe; 04-25-2018 at 02:31 AM.
Though He slay me, I will trust in Him . . . (Job 13:15)
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