Thread: 2018 NFL Draft Day Bold Predictions

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Allen is trash

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I don't think so.

Flavor of the month. Just the latest big arm freak of nature who coaches think they can fix. Physically talented. Makes terrible decisions. Watch some of his INTs. Idiotic for someone of his supposed stature. Sorry. Not buying.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Flavor of the month. Just the latest big arm freak of nature who coaches think they can fix. Physically talented. Makes terrible decisions. Watch some of his INTs. Idiotic for someone of his supposed stature. Sorry. Not buying.

Why are saying sorry to me? You don't like him that's fine. However I do like him, and I'm absolutely sure that no one on this board knows for sure what Allen any other prospect will turn out to be.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Why are saying sorry to me? You don't like him that's fine. However I do like him, and I'm absolutely sure that no one on this board knows for sure what Allen any other prospect will turn out to be.

I agree with that. That's why this stuff is so much fun to me.

But message boards are boring if we don't create at least a little angst.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I agree with that. That's why this stuff is so much fun to me.

But message boards are boring if we don't create at least a little angst.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Flavor of the month. Just the latest big arm freak of nature who coaches think they can fix. Physically talented. Makes terrible decisions. Watch some of his INTs. Idiotic for someone of his supposed stature. Sorry. Not buying.

What’s worse, the coach that thinks he can fix the big arm freak or the coach that thinks he can win it all with the “fits the system” Sally-armed scrub?

Originally Posted by Jaded

What’s worse, the coach that thinks he can fix the big arm freak or the coach that thinks he can win it all with the “fits the system” Sally-armed scrub?

I'll take my chances with the brain who makes the fewest mistakes. Say what ya want...even gunslinger Favre couldn't control his impulses enough to win as much as his talent warranted.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I'll take my chances with the brain who makes the fewest mistakes. Say what ya want...even gunslinger Favre couldn't control his impulses enough to win as much as his talent warranted.

Yeah, I'll take the bookworm with no talent...wait a minute...there's a bookworm...with massive talent...in this draft!

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Yeah, I'll take the bookworm with no talent...wait a minute...there's a bookworm...with massive talent...in this draft!

Never had an issue with Rosen...aside from the concussions which could effect long term stability.

That said...Dilfer has as many rings as Favre.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I'll take my chances with the brain who makes the fewest mistakes. Say what ya want...even gunslinger Favre couldn't control his impulses enough to win as much as his talent warranted.

Trevor Siemian?

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Never had an issue with Rosen...aside from the concussions which could effect long term stability.

That said...Dilfer has as many rings as Favre.

And Dilfer was only viable when a great team that quickly disbanded was around him. Bradshaw has four rings and he was bad in his day, in an era where you kept your team forever. The Patriots have had several different styles of rosters, and Brady has five rings. Manning had one ring as the guy, and won another ring on his last legs. Eli Manning was an above average QB, never a great one, and has two. The NFL gets all kinds of mixed up results. But I'll bet on the QB being the long term path to the SB and not trying to rebuild a great team every four seasons. No team drafts THAT well.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Trevor Siemian?

I'd rather use a 7th rounder on him than a top pick on. Leaf, Boller, Cutler type. I know everyone hates TS but he was effective when the OL was healthy and playing well. He wasn't making mistakes or causing us to lose games. Now he obviously has a celing, but with the right cast he wasn't a liability. Once we lost some folks, he wasn't talented enough not to implode. Big arms who are careless with the ball often cost their teams games.

Allen as a late project...give him a shot. But not with a top 5 pick.

Trent Dilfer had the physical talent to get drafted Top5.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I'd rather use a 7th rounder on him than a top pick on. Leaf, Boller, Cutler type. I know everyone hates TS but he was effective when the OL was healthy and playing well. He wasn't making mistakes or causing us to lose games. Now he obviously has a celing, but with the right cast he wasn't a liability. Once we lost some folks, he wasn't talented enough not to implode. Big arms who are careless with the ball often cost their teams games.

Allen as a late project...give him a shot. But not with a top 5 pick.

I'd rather just draft a highly talented QB and get a staff that can develop him. TS was never an effective QB sans a handful of games. I don't care for Allen - yeah he had bad talent around him, but he also played against. And yeah, he had bad talent around him, but he also didn't exactly dominate that bad talent, and Wentz did. However, drafting Allen at five and sitting him behind CK for two years actually does validate that otherwise stupid signing.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

And Dilfer was only viable when a great team that quickly disbanded was around him. Bradshaw has four rings and he was bad in his day, in an era where you kept your team forever. The Patriots have had several different styles of rosters, and Brady has five rings. Manning had one ring as the guy, and won another ring on his last legs. Eli Manning was an above average QB, never a great one, and has two. The NFL gets all kinds of mixed up results. But I'll bet on the QB being the long term path to the SB and not trying to rebuild a great team every four seasons. No team drafts THAT well.

I agree with all of that. But for the sake of this discussion history doesn't support a risk taking gun slinger being the guy ya wanna bet on. Favre was ubertalented...but he also ended 4 straight seasons by throwing an INT. Cutler has a ridiculous arm. No rings. I could go on. Meanwhile, as you mentioned, plenty of guys who are more cerebral are winning. They aren't noodle arms, but they also weren't the projects that the Allens of the world are.