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Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You don't think deeper than anyone else and the implication that you do is astounding - last offseason I tore apart the numbers that 'supported' TS because they were being compared to QB's from the early 2000's when the rules were different. That's actually looking deeper. I'm going to put you on ignore now, because your ego is crazy, and you're unfortunately bordering on sophistry. I like you much as a person, but this is just sad to see. I wish you well.

You should have stopped trying to take the pride. You're no match for the old lion . . .

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

I remember getting into an argument over passer ratings back in the day, my point was they’re mostly stupid because of the way people present the passer ratings they tell us that LaDanian Tomlinson and David Garrard are better QB’s than PFM, Brett Farve and Tony Romo.

I’m just going to go ahead and assume that deep down inside everyone knows Case Keenum isn’t the best QB in the league under any circumstances, as his passer rating suggests.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

I remember getting into an argument over passer ratings back in the day, my point was they’re mostly stupid because of the way people present the passer ratings they tell us that LaDanian Tomlinson and David Garrard are better QB’s than PFM, Brett Farve and Tony Romo.

I’m just going to go ahead and assume that deep down inside everyone knows Case Keenum isn’t the best QB in the league under any circumstances, as his passer rating suggests.

They have efficiency ratings in them that boost game managers. A 100 rating from a big game via Brady or Manning gets matched by someone whose a game manager, and it's absurd. To then take that absurd number, ignore that the types of WRs the Vikings have are going to excel in short yardage situations and go 'see how good he is in pressure' without that context is also absurd. We've gotten to the point where we just cherry pick stats and go "see, this guy is good," and ignore everything else.

Some people look at stats to answer a question, and others go in looking to justify something they WANT to be true.

Orton and Siemian. Lol

Originally Posted by Jaded

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

I remember getting into an argument over passer ratings back in the day, my point was they’re mostly stupid because of the way people present the passer ratings they tell us that LaDanian Tomlinson and David Garrard are better QB’s than PFM, Brett Farve and Tony Romo.

I’m just going to go ahead and assume that deep down inside everyone knows Case Keenum isn’t the best QB in the league under any circumstances, as his passer rating suggests.

If you're referring to me, I haven't said much about passer ratings. I talked about quarterback
ratings. May I refer you to Post #51 in this thread.

But I talked about much more than just that. The post I went to all the trouble to write that
you said you didn't bother to read demonstrates that.

I’m sorry that you think passer ratings vs QB ratings makes a damn bit of difference.

They’re useful, not a Ranking.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I’m sorry that you think passer ratings vs QB ratings makes a damn bit of difference.

They’re useful, not a Ranking.

You know, Jaded, I love you, man. But to debate with someone who doesn't even read what
I write or to acknowledge facts is a waste of time. Let's talk about something else from now on.

/Debate

6 pages and counting about how the offense that y’all love to hate is now, not only allowed, but celebrated.

When it’s necessary because of a proven Championship OC/HC the philosophy is dated and the game has passed him by ... but when you’re trying to justify the CK hype to yourself it becomes “I can not believe a Broncos fan would dare to doubt this great QB before he’s ever thrown a football”.

Coolbeans, I’m not a fan. Point taken.

Originally Posted by Jaded

6 pages and counting about how the offense that y’all love to hate is now, not only allowed, but celebrated.

When it’s necessary because of a proven Championship OC/HC the philosophy is dated and the game has passed him by ... but when you’re trying to justify the CK hype to yourself it becomes “I can not believe a Broncos fan would dare to doubt this great QB before he’s ever thrown a football”.

Coolbeans, I’m not a fan. Point taken.

Speaking for myself, I never once proclaimed Keenum as a "great quarterback," and I never
made any predictions. All I did was to say, in effect, "hey, there's hope for this guy," and
produce some facts and figures and history to show why I felt that way.

It's okay to have doubts. I have a few of my own, believe it or not. Only performance on the
field can assuage those doubts. But I'm not ready to pronounce him a scrub until he proves
he's a scrub, and he hasn't proven it yet. Once he does, I'll say, "Yes, he's a scrub." Until then,
I'll present the optimistic side since nearly all the rest being presented here is negative.

There are some cons, but why should I point them out when you already have ad nauseam?
Meanwhile, I have taken a fusillade of shots for trying to be positive. That's okay. I'm a big boy.
I can take it. Besides, I'm pretty good at giving it back.

“Case Keenum is the Franchise QB Denver has been looking for”— Top

That’s a prediction.

Originally Posted by Jaded

“Case Keenum is the Franchise QB Denver has been looking for”— Top

That’s a prediction.

Link please.

Originally Posted by Jaded

“Case Keenum is the Franchise QB Denver has been looking for”— Top

That’s a prediction.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Link please.

I highly doubt that you will provide the link because you know you tore that out of context.
What I said was that IF Keenum continues the same kind of performance he put in last year,
then we have a franchise quarterback. So if you call that a prediction, it's a heavily qualified
one.

Originally Posted by topscribe

I highly doubt that you will provide the link because you know you tore that out of context.
What I said was that IF Keenum continues the same kind of performance he put in last year,
then we have a franchise quarterback. So if you call that a prediction, it's a heavily qualified
one.

Oh, I’m sorry but I don’t speak Spin.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Oh, I’m sorry but I don’t speak Spin.

I think you did when you tore that out of context and made me say something I didn't say.
Quintessential spin.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Oh, I’m sorry but I don’t speak Spin.

What Top said is conditioned based, he never said that Keenum is the franchise quarterback that Denver is looking for. His premise seems to be that if Keenum puts up numbers similar to last season then Denver has their franchise quarterback. I disagree with his premise because I don't think those are not kind of numbers for from a franchise quarterback.