Thread: JFE listed as one of the least trusted GM's in the NFL

Originally Posted by topscribe

Nah, real news. Nobody likes someone who can mop the floor with them . . .

Like Miller’s agent did? Dude got everything he wanted. Malik Jackson’s agent? Nope. Todd Davis’ agent? El oh F’n El. Case Keenum’s agent? $18 M/per for Case Keenum?

So basically we’re talking about Jr and Wolfe’s agent, I sincerely hope USA Today’s sample size is more than two agents. Which, if that’s your spin, amounts to the empty “Fake news” bullshit.

I don’t like what I’m hearing/reading = Fake News.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I love Elway, I grew up in Colorado in the 80's it's almost a law that I love that man, but he is a bad GM.

He did two things right. He drafted Von and he signed Manning. Signing Manning hid a lot of deficiencies on this team and it helped us sign FAs we never would have signed.

I hope Elway retires after this season, which will probably be a disaster.

"Since Elway joined the Broncos as the GM the Broncos have gone 67-29. They won five
straight AFC West titles up until this past season under Elway, appeared in the Super Bowl
twice, and won Super Bowl 50." (Pulled from this article.)

If he continues to be that kind of bad GM, I'm good with it . . .

Originally Posted by topscribe

"Since Elway joined the Broncos as the GM the Broncos have gone 67-29. They won five
straight AFC West titles up until this past season under Elway, appeared in the Super Bowl
twice, and won Super Bowl 50." (Pulled from this article.)

If he continues to be that kind of bad GM, I'm good with it . . .

Ok, with CK the only thing that matters is 8 of the last 9 games, but with Elway the last 2 seasons don’t matter?

Originally Posted by topscribe

"Since Elway joined the Broncos as the GM the Broncos have gone 67-29. They won five
straight AFC West titles up until this past season under Elway, appeared in the Super Bowl
twice, and won Super Bowl 50." (Pulled from this article.)

If he continues to be that kind of bad GM, I'm good with it . . .

Peyton Manning says hello.

John did build a great defense. No doubt. But he can't draft offense to save his life and he's already been through 3 coaches and will be going on his 4th next season.

His drafts are basically terrible. He was bailed out by signing Manning.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Peyton Manning says hello.

John did build a great defense. No doubt. But he can't draft offense to save his life and he's already been through 3 coaches and will be going on his 4th next season.

His drafts are basically terrible. He was bailed out by signing Manning.

I understand. Football is a one-man game, and Manning won SB50 while in his prime.

Originally Posted by topscribe

I understand. Football is a one-man game, and Manning won SB50 while in his prime.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. We're never gonna agree on this.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Yep, that's exactly what I said. We're never gonna agree on this.

Did you read the article Carol and I cited?

Originally Posted by topscribe

Did you read the article Carol and I cited?

The Rotoworld article?

Actually, it was a Mile High Propaganda Report article citing a Rotoworld article.

Lame, with a side of lame.

It's not his free agent acumen I'm worried about. His second and and third round (especially third) picks have not been good, and that's hurting the depth when players like Talib (and soon Roby), Jackson, J. Thomas, Decker, Ward, etc., get too expensive. Just as an example, if Cody Lattimer is the possession receiver we all thought we might have, then Denver isn't staring a slot receiver in the face this year in the fourth or fifth round, and the Henderson kid who didn't even see the field last year (Carlos?). And he's now 0-2 on early quarterbacks (the position that can really bite you in the ass in the draft).

I want to have faith, but this is kind of getting ugly.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Elway has a horrible reputation with players, started to go south with the Von Miller negotiations that got so bad that the two ruined the ring ceremony with a very heated and physical confrontation.

Do you have a link to this very heated and physical confrontation?

All I know is Von Miller cropped Elway out of a photo. That is all.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Needed sentimental ties with Kubiak and a ridiculous contract offer to “land” Case Keenum, otherwise you never even hear the Broncos mentioned as a destination in free agency. You hear talking heads predict that Barf Cousins ends up in Denver after the Broncos leak their intentions to go full retard to sign him ... but then ... crickets.

First day of free agency starts and with a stroke of a pen Case Keenum goes from being Case Keenum (the 4th best QB on his former team) to “our guy”.

Which is probably why you also heard Cousins say after Denver was out of the sweepstakes that "He didnt feel the situation was right in Denver and the organization seemed in disarray" or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by topscribe

"Since Elway joined the Broncos as the GM the Broncos have gone 67-29. They won five
straight AFC West titles up until this past season under Elway, appeared in the Super Bowl
twice, and won Super Bowl 50." (Pulled from this article.)

If he continues to be that kind of bad GM, I'm good with it . . .

I think you are missing some key points that Jaded has brought up though. It was pointed out that JFE did a good job at landing Manning and that he hit the lottery with Miller. But i also believe that now the real test begins for him as a GM because now he has to actually find a franchise QB. I know people tend to get a little butthurt whenever there is any criticism laid at John's feet but if you look at it objectively you can see why there is some question marks there.

I remember saying a couple years ago that the way he does business could come back to bite us in the ass. That seems to be the case.

Originally Posted by topscribe

I understand. Football is a one-man game, and Manning won SB50 while in his prime.

Nice sarcastic, dismissive post that totally misses the point people are making in this thread that without Manning, we might not be able to attract the kind of players to build our team into the one that won SB 50.