He was a part of it - And the fact that you can find like, maybe two guards who arguably were that important should tell you something. That this one lone player has to hit THAT level to justify the pick. Because even if he's just damn good, guess what, that's a guard. I kindly urge you to not be shortsighted.
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“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
I disagree. While I think at this point it's likely that Denver will take a quarterback with the fifth pick in the draft it really depends how they feel about who is left. If Nelson is there at five and they decide to take him rather than quarterback it is justifiable to Nelson. If the quarterback(s) who are left when the Broncos pick rank behind Nelson then imo it would be foolish not take Nelson. I for one would not in any way be surprised if Nelson ranks ahead at least one of quarterbacks.
I think the question implies trying to pick based on who you think will be available?
#1 - Darnold. This is now the consensus, that Cleveland will take Darnold #1 overall.
#2 - Chubb. If the Giants stay at #2 they take Chubb, because he could be the next Michael Strahan. Alternatively, they take Allen #2.
#3 - Jets take Mayfield.
#4 - If the Browns do not trade back with the Bills, which they will try to do, then they take Sequon Barkley.
#5 - This leaves Allen, Rosen, Nelson and Mickah Fitzpatrick at #5. Elway may take Allen, but only if he wants to fire Vance Joseph in mid season after the team starts 2-6. They need a boatload of talent for VJ to save his job and not a rookie QB who won't even play in 2018 (he won't beat out Keenum in his rookie year).
Then in 2019 they can pay Keenum $25m to hold a clip-board while Allen starts for the new Head Coach and Offensive coordinator - who might not even want Josh Allen as his star QB.
New coaches always bring new offensive schemes and new offensive coordinators. Allen might or might not be a good fit in whatever new scheme Denver is running in 2019.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
If Allen doesn’t fit then good luck landing a HC/OC that needs a scrub like CK for a QB.
Btw, CK has to be viewed as Elway’s gift to VJ, otherwise the signing doesn’t make sense ... I mean at all. Elway said he didn’t think he gave VJ what he needs to succeed at QB, that doesn’t mean they landed PFM and feel compelled to build around his 5-year-window. Hell, the Broncos went out and draft a QB a month after landing PFM.
Last edited by Simple Jaded; 03-27-2018 at 12:44 PM.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
Btw, just as a PSA, CK is no PFM.
"Tuning ... into each other ... lift all higher”
“I’m just different!”
“ . . . Picture a cup in the middle of the sea”
Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
I don't think so Cugel it's highly unlikely a new coach would be allowed to trade away a player who was drafted one year earlier with fifth overall pick. There is way to much invested in that player to just trade him away. Besides that it wouldn't be the head coach who makes that decision it's Elway. Lets says Denver does draft Rosen or Allen and Joseph does get fired I suspect part of the interview process would center around a coach who could develop that quarterback.
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