Thread: How would you stack the draft board for #5?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

They always say that the QB has to be a sure fire prospect - but Chubb isn't a sure fire player like Von Miller was. Nelson's 'great' but he's a guard, so he's never going to be an impact player. Fitzpatrick's a nice prospect, but I've seen better. These guys aren't good enough to justify NOT taking a QB.

God, Rosen's underrated.

Larry Allen made the Cowboys offense go, not Emmett Smith

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Larry Allen made the Cowboys offense go, not Emmett Smith

He was a part of it - And the fact that you can find like, maybe two guards who arguably were that important should tell you something. That this one lone player has to hit THAT level to justify the pick. Because even if he's just damn good, guess what, that's a guard. I kindly urge you to not be shortsighted.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

He was a part of it - And the fact that you can find like, maybe two guards who arguably were that important should tell you something. That this one lone player has to hit THAT level to justify the pick. Because even if he's just damn good, guess what, that's a guard. I kindly urge you to not be shortsighted.

I’m aware of that. Many people believe he is that good

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

No.

Didn’t he spank Broncos around once a year?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

.

God, Rosen's underrated.

Not by the Jets, just sayin.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Didn’t he spank Broncos around once a year?

Negative. I don’t think he ever beat them.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I’m aware of that. Many people believe he is that good

Better be. Because if there's a QB who just becomes a Pro Bowler that we pass over and the guard becomes elite godking guard...the QB was still the better pick.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Better be. Because if there's a QB who just becomes a Pro Bowler that we pass over and the guard becomes elite godking guard...the QB was still the better pick.

Maybe so

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

They always say that the QB has to be a sure fire prospect - but Chubb isn't a sure fire player like Von Miller was. Nelson's 'great' but he's a guard, so he's never going to be an impact player. Fitzpatrick's a nice prospect, but I've seen better. These guys aren't good enough to justify NOT taking a QB.

God, Rosen's underrated.

I disagree. While I think at this point it's likely that Denver will take a quarterback with the fifth pick in the draft it really depends how they feel about who is left. If Nelson is there at five and they decide to take him rather than quarterback it is justifiable to Nelson. If the quarterback(s) who are left when the Broncos pick rank behind Nelson then imo it would be foolish not take Nelson. I for one would not in any way be surprised if Nelson ranks ahead at least one of quarterbacks.

I think the question implies trying to pick based on who you think will be available?

#1 - Darnold. This is now the consensus, that Cleveland will take Darnold #1 overall.
#2 - Chubb. If the Giants stay at #2 they take Chubb, because he could be the next Michael Strahan. Alternatively, they take Allen #2.
#3 - Jets take Mayfield.
#4 - If the Browns do not trade back with the Bills, which they will try to do, then they take Sequon Barkley.

#5 - This leaves Allen, Rosen, Nelson and Mickah Fitzpatrick at #5. Elway may take Allen, but only if he wants to fire Vance Joseph in mid season after the team starts 2-6. They need a boatload of talent for VJ to save his job and not a rookie QB who won't even play in 2018 (he won't beat out Keenum in his rookie year).

Then in 2019 they can pay Keenum $25m to hold a clip-board while Allen starts for the new Head Coach and Offensive coordinator - who might not even want Josh Allen as his star QB.

New coaches always bring new offensive schemes and new offensive coordinators. Allen might or might not be a good fit in whatever new scheme Denver is running in 2019.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Negative. I don’t think he ever beat them.

I think he did two years ago.

Originally Posted by Cugel

I think the question implies trying to pick based on who you think will be available?

#1 - Darnold. This is now the consensus, that Cleveland will take Darnold #1 overall.
#2 - Chubb. If the Giants stay at #2 they take Chubb, because he could be the next Michael Strahan. Alternatively, they take Allen #2.
#3 - Jets take Mayfield.
#4 - If the Browns do not trade back with the Bills, which they will try to do, then they take Sequon Barkley.

#5 - This leaves Allen, Rosen, Nelson and Mickah Fitzpatrick at #5. Elway may take Allen, but only if he wants to fire Vance Joseph in mid season after the team starts 2-6. They need a boatload of talent for VJ to save his job and not a rookie QB who won't even play in 2018 (he won't beat out Keenum in his rookie year).

Then in 2019 they can pay Keenum $25m to hold a clip-board while Allen starts for the new Head Coach and Offensive coordinator - who might not even want Josh Allen as his star QB.

New coaches always bring new offensive schemes and new offensive coordinators. Allen might or might not be a good fit in whatever new scheme Denver is running in 2019.

If Allen doesn’t fit then good luck landing a HC/OC that needs a scrub like CK for a QB.

Btw, CK has to be viewed as Elway’s gift to VJ, otherwise the signing doesn’t make sense ... I mean at all. Elway said he didn’t think he gave VJ what he needs to succeed at QB, that doesn’t mean they landed PFM and feel compelled to build around his 5-year-window. Hell, the Broncos went out and draft a QB a month after landing PFM.

Btw, just as a PSA, CK is no PFM.

Originally Posted by Cugel

I think the question implies trying to pick based on who you think will be available?

#1 - Darnold. This is now the consensus, that Cleveland will take Darnold #1 overall.
#2 - Chubb. If the Giants stay at #2 they take Chubb, because he could be the next Michael Strahan. Alternatively, they take Allen #2.
#3 - Jets take Mayfield.
#4 - If the Browns do not trade back with the Bills, which they will try to do, then they take Sequon Barkley.

#5 - This leaves Allen, Rosen, Nelson and Mickah Fitzpatrick at #5. Elway may take Allen, but only if he wants to fire Vance Joseph in mid season after the team starts 2-6. They need a boatload of talent for VJ to save his job and not a rookie QB who won't even play in 2018 (he won't beat out Keenum in his rookie year).

Then in 2019 they can pay Keenum $25m to hold a clip-board while Allen starts for the new Head Coach and Offensive coordinator - who might not even want Josh Allen as his star QB.

New coaches always bring new offensive schemes and new offensive coordinators. Allen might or might not be a good fit in whatever new scheme Denver is running in 2019.

I don't think so Cugel it's highly unlikely a new coach would be allowed to trade away a player who was drafted one year earlier with fifth overall pick. There is way to much invested in that player to just trade him away. Besides that it wouldn't be the head coach who makes that decision it's Elway. Lets says Denver does draft Rosen or Allen and Joseph does get fired I suspect part of the interview process would center around a coach who could develop that quarterback.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I think he did two years ago.

If he did that’s impressive because Wyoming’s roster is always at the bottom of the talent pool in the MW