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Rosen may be the best right now...but if Allen and Darnold can live up to their potential, they will exceed his skills in the long run.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Rosen may be the best right now...but if Allen and Darnold can live up to their potential, they will exceed his skills in the long run.

His leg up in the long term is his intellect. That's why he has the highest overall ceiling out of all of them - he can be the closest thing to Manning.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

His leg up in the long term is his intellect. That's why he has the highest overall ceiling out of all of them - he can be the closest thing to Manning.

Not sure if you read that or made it up, but all of the reports I've read state that most GM's thought Mayfield had the highest football IQ in this draft class.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

My point was the seemingly abrasive personality. I think Jay and Rosen Care about football a lot. I like Rosen it wasn't a knock just a observation.

Jay Cutler had so much physical talent that only supreme indifference to his development and his teammates kept him out of the Hall of Fame. He had the size, athleticism, and superb arm talent. His talent was his curse. He was one of those guys who always was successful based on pure ability and never had to dedicate himself the way Peyton Manning did.

And he grew to resent all those coaches and fans and media who kept criticizing him for being an underachiever. He simply didn't care. Hence MR. "I-Don't-Care!"

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Not sure if you read that or made it up, but all of the reports I've read state that most GM's thought Mayfield had the highest football IQ in this draft class.

It might be that Mayfield is the most NFL ready from an intellectual perspective, but his durability is in question. There's a reason teams want 6'4" QBs with great arm talent. Those guys - IF they have the work ethic to develop their talent, can have the durability to become long term franchise QBs.

In this draft that is Darnold and Allen, not Rosen or Mayfield. I don't express any opinion on all these guys. I'd be fine with drafting Mayfield, if Elway is sure that guy is the long term answer.

But, he'd better be right!

Originally Posted by Cugel

It might be that Mayfield is the most NFL ready from an intellectual perspective, but his durability is in question. There's a reason teams want 6'4" QBs with great arm talent. Those guys - IF they have the work ethic to develop their talent, can have the durability to become long term franchise QBs.

In this draft that is Darnold and Allen, not Rosen or Mayfield. I don't express any opinion on all these guys. I'd be fine with drafting Mayfield, if Elway is sure that guy is the long term answer.

But, he'd better be right!

Rosen is 6'4"and has had injury issues.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Rosen may be the best right now...but if Allen and Darnold can live up to their potential, they will exceed his skills in the long run.

I do not disagree with you too often when it comes to prospects but I do not agree too much with this.


Allen I can see. If he lives up to his potential he can be a luck, a big ben, and elway, he could be a HOF QB. But I am just not sure. To me its the biggest IF of all the QBs. He has the longest ways to go but also the highest ceiling of all no doubt.

I do not see how Darnold can be better than Rosen. Darnolds mechanics are not as good. His arm may be stronger but not much. His accuracy and decisions are not as good as Rosen. He has more leadership so that can boost his ceiling but maybe Rosen will get some too. I do not know....

To me, for now, I do not see the potential in Darnold being that much higher than Rosen. Why do you see? What do you know that I am missing?

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Rosen is 6'4"and has had injury issues.

I was thinking of Mayfield. Obviously injury is a concern with Rosen, who has a slighter physique than Allen or Darnold, but again, I don't know which, if any, of these QBs translate best to the NFL.

As Kyle Shanahan said, the college game is so different that mostly scouts only have arm talent to go by. Based solely off that, maybe Rosen is the most NFL style QB of the four? & Allen has the best arm.

I imagine that difference between college and pro game is why so many QBs miss, and QBs taken later in the draft are sometimes successes (Russell Wilson).

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Not sure if you read that or made it up, but all of the reports I've read state that most GM's thought Mayfield had the highest football IQ in this draft class.

Yeah, Coach, I make things up.

Rosen is the guy who doesn't just understand the playbook, he understands the theory behind the playbook. Like from top to bottom, the way a coach would. It's a higher level of understanding. That is not Baker Mayfield, who isn't a slouch, either.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Yeah, Coach, I make things up.

Rosen is the guy who doesn't just understand the playbook, he understands the theory behind the playbook. Like from top to bottom, the way a coach would. It's a higher level of understanding. That is not Baker Mayfield, who isn't a slouch, either.

I'd take Rosen over Mayfield too for the on-field offensive coordinator potential. I like Mayfield's chip though. Rosen has a chip, too, but it's different somehow. Like he needs to show the world who's boss.

Wish I could have been in those interviews about dissecting a play.

Have zero issues with Rosen the player or his attitude. I'd never draft a QB that early who already has multiple concussions.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Have zero issues with Rosen the player or his attitude. I'd never draft a QB that early who already has multiple concussions.

Yeah. ****.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'd take Rosen over Mayfield too for the on-field offensive coordinator potential. I like Mayfield's chip though. Rosen has a chip, too, but it's different somehow. Like he needs to show the world who's boss.

He's the dude who can teach the law school class and win in court.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yeah. ****.

They said Munoz's career was over when he tore his ACL. The lowly Bengals drafted him and he's arguably the best LT ever. They said McGagahee would never be a topflight back, and he actually was for a portion of his career. Brees' career was supposed to be just about done when the Saints signed him.

Now, only one of those scenarios is a pre-draft injury, but at that point in time the ACL tear was supposed to be a real killer, and for a lot of players it was. He has two concussions. One was severe, and one caused him to miss a game. Are you rolling the dice with him? Well, considering he's probably the most accurate passer, and that he's the most pro-ready, I'm not certain he's even the biggest gamble out of the QB's.