Thread: Josh Allen.....vs Elway

Allen remind me a lot of Brett Farve. I would comfortable if Denver picked him at 5 with Keenum working as the starter for the next year or so.

Originally Posted by Cugel

I'm not arguing that Josh Allen is Jeff George. For one thing I don't even have an opinion on that. For another nobody can know at this point. But, I pointed out that pure arm talent had Jeff George the #1 overall pick, so that can be an overrated ability!

Jay Cutler had amazing arm talent too.

Not to jump in but Allen has arm talent that surpasses both these guys by far. The man could throw the ball 80 yards as a frosh. You better believe he can chuck it 85 or over now.......can anyone wrap their brain around that?

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Not to jump in but Allen has arm talent that surpasses both these guys by far. The man could throw the ball 80 yards as a frosh. You better believe he can chuck it 85 or over now.......can anyone wrap their brain around that?

Most importantly, imo, He's also been running Pro concepts with Pro verbiage and making full field reads for 3 seasons. All that physical talent to go along with better mental preparation than 99% of draft prospects.

His accuracy is said to be mitigated by improving footwork, not to suggest he'll ever complete 67% like CK but in a dink and dunk offense I wouldn't count him out.

This could be the Matthew Stafford exception to the rule.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Not to jump in but Allen has arm talent that surpasses both these guys by far. The man could throw the ball 80 yards as a frosh. You better believe he can chuck it 85 or over now.......can anyone wrap their brain around that?

An Elway-type arm. I watched a video where Elway threw the ball about 80 yards in high school.

Much like Elway and Farve, Allen has no touch on the ball right now. Everything is the heater.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Not to jump in but Allen has arm talent that surpasses both these guys by far. The man could throw the ball 80 yards as a frosh. You better believe he can chuck it 85 or over now.......can anyone wrap their brain around that?

Irrelevant, unless the OL can hold their blocks long enough for the receivers to get about 60-65 yards down field so they can get to the same spot 85 yards down field at the same time as the ball.

I like Allen, but I feel he is a year from starter ready. I think if we don't go Mayfield or Rosen who can start day 1, we should address other needs. Our top need was QB, but I feel better there, not sold but more confident then the last 2 years. For me we need the best damn cover linebacker in this draft, a DT(don't forget the Gostis issue) and a RT in the first 3 rds for sure. Our defense is still top 10, but the 3rd/4th CB for Dime and nickel and the lack of DT options on the team, as well as the need for a LB who can actually cover is even more pressing in my eyes. Lets not forget the Gostis issue at DT. We are thin behind Peko and Wolfe.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Not to jump in but Allen has arm talent that surpasses both these guys by far. The man could throw the ball 80 yards as a frosh. You better believe he can chuck it 85 or over now.......can anyone wrap their brain around that?

You want to know who else could throw the long ball like that? Kyle Boller.

Having a strong arm is nice, but without accuracy it means nothing.

Originally Posted by Northman

You want to know who else could throw the long ball like that? Kyle Boller.

Having a strong arm is nice, but without accuracy it means nothing.

Agreed, I love a cannon arm, but his accuracy scares the crap out of me. We have seen enough of poor accurate throwing in Denver for awhile. I think he is coachable, but I don't think that's enough to warrant ignoring the holes we currently have on defense and the OL

for those critical of allen because of his completion %

who many misses were account of the bad oline forcing him to force it or throw it

who many were because of the lack of talent around him in the wr position?

you can say wyo didn't play a lot of good teams...but wyo didn't have a lot of talent either

Allen and Elway are gonna fight?

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Agreed, I love a cannon arm, but his accuracy scares the crap out of me. We have seen enough of poor accurate throwing in Denver for awhile. I think he is coachable, but I don't think that's enough to warrant ignoring the holes we currently have on defense and the OL

Absolutely my thoughts. The Broncos already have a QB from the first round of a draft who
has a cannon arm but has had accuracy problems. So are they going to start a collection of
them?

I personally think they just signed a good QB, and Lynch, I hear, is working his butt off this
off season with a mentor on his mechanics. Of course, that doesn't tell us what might linger
between PL's ears, but at least we may see better footwork and accuracy from him this year.

Originally Posted by arapaho2

for those critical of allen because of his completion %

who many misses were account of the bad oline forcing him to force it or throw it

who many were because of the lack of talent around him in the wr position?

you can say wyo didn't play a lot of good teams...but wyo didn't have a lot of talent either

Also have to take into account the quality of coaching at Wyoming isn't going to be on par with that at UCLA, USC or Oklahoma. That being said, the amount of improvement I've seen in Allen from his Bowl game to Senior Bowl to Combine has been legit. He's obviously working with QB gurus and making strides with better the coaching.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Also have to take into account the quality of coaching at Wyoming isn't going to be on par with that at UCLA, USC or Oklahoma. That being said, the amount of improvement I've seen in Allen from his Bowl game to Senior Bowl to Combine has been legit. He's obviously working with QB gurus and making strides with better the coaching.

WYO staff is actually pretty good having come over from NDSU and they were the one they developed Weitz. Lots of pro concept and plays in that offense. Allen is training with Darnold in Socal to improve which is good.

**** it, draft his ass.