Thread: Siemien to Vikings

I had to make the steel myself, it was the 1580’s, I was very young.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I had to make the steel myself, it was the 1580’s, I was very young.

You only can make what your god allows, you peasant!

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

He's one of the better centers in the league, you fool!

$10.250 M per, if what you say is true *barf* he’s going to want ... what? $13 M per?

Be reasonable. You’re being irrational.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You only can make what your god allows, you peasant!

I make a good enemy.

Originally Posted by Jaded

$10.250 M per, if what you say is true *barf* he’s going to want ... what? $13 M per?

Be reasonable. You’re being irrational.

He'll take his deal and he'll like it.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

They were in the mid twenties for the line. They were bad. I hate to break this to you, but QB's overcome bad lines all the time. And when your QB has a pocket and doesn't step up into it, or holds onto the ball for too long, two seasons in I might add, with that line, at same point it's fair to realize that he's making a bad situation worse.

Line overall, yes, but RT was FAR worse, and LG was horrendous, so the whole "he should step up" criticism is flawed.

The stats confirm what our eyes saw, which is the pass protection was putrid.

Originally Posted by Tned

Line overall, yes, but RT was FAR worse, and LG was horrendous, so the whole "he should step up" criticism is flawed.

The stats confirm what our eyes saw, which is the pass protection was putrid.

We saw him fail to step up when he could. Contrary to popular belief, the line didn't fail on every single play, Tned. I'm sorry, the stats show the line was bad - that doesn't show that he didn't have his failings when he could have succeeded. That's not how that works. I'm not going to rehash it - it's futile. Neither of us will budge. He's not on the team anymore. It means nothing.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

We saw him fail to step up when he could. Contrary to popular belief, the line didn't fail on every single play, Tned. I'm sorry, the stats show the line was bad - that doesn't show that he didn't have his failings when he could have succeeded. That's not how that works. I'm not going to rehash it - it's futile. Neither of us will budge. He's not on the team anymore. It means nothing.

It seems to matter to some.

As I said, I'm far more concerned with the impact on this year if they don't fix the two biggest holes of the team, RT and LG.

Originally Posted by Tned

It seems to matter to some.

As I said, I'm far more concerned with the impact on this year if they don't fix the two biggest holes of the team, RT and LG.

I don't think guard is a problem for them this year. The draft is deep at that position, and
it shouldn't be any problem for them to end up with Hernandez or an equivalent. Tackle is
a different story. Players at that position are nearly as scarce as QBs. But I think that is
almost the sole position of desperation for the Broncos, so I wouldn't put it past Elway to
end up with at least a serviceable RT. After all, he snagged Leary from out of nowhere
last year.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

I hate to break this to you, but QB's overcome bad lines all the time...

See Manning, Peyton in 2015.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

I hate to break this to you, but QB's overcome bad lines all the time...

See Manning, Peyton in 2015.

Also:

Tyler P. came in later on in the year and solidified the OLine almost by himself. He was the unsung MVP of 2015, and had he never landed in Denver before the trade deadline, his impact at Tackle cant be diminished. But Peyton was wrecked by that time anyway. He made all the difference.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Great! So he's trash because he's a trash backup, too! Wonderful. Excellent point. He's ******* trash, most backups are trash, most seventh rounders are trash, he's a trash starter, he's trash.

Trash this week! Trash next month! Next year! Next Decade! He's ******* trash!

You forgot to put in a hashtag. Just sayin.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

They were in the mid twenties for the line. They were bad. I hate to break this to you, but QB's overcome bad lines all the time. And when your QB has a pocket and doesn't step up into it, or holds onto the ball for too long, two seasons in I might add, with that line, at same point it's fair to realize that he's making a bad situation worse.

no worries about that now. . . just wait until you see how masterfully your football savior, case keenum, navigates the pocket. . .


as for paradis, they can let him walk next year, and reap a nice compensatory pick. . . mcgovern is ready to hold down the fort. . . as for right tackle, i still assume they'll dredge up some horrible vet, but keep an eye on cyrus kouandijdioreo. . . he's a former high draft pick who has all the skills, and is still a young guy. . . if he has his head on straight now, he might end up being the guy. . . as barren as the tackle market is, they could probably do worse than try to develop cyrus. . .

i'd be more than fine with drafting nelson, and likely putting one spot on the line on lockdown for the next decade-plus. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

no worries about that now. . . just wait until you see how masterfully your football savior, case keenum, navigates the pocket. . .


as for paradis, they can let him walk next year, and reap a nice compensatory pick. . . mcgovern is ready to hold down the fort. . . as for right tackle, i still assume they'll dredge up some horrible vet, but keep an eye on cyrus kouandijdioreo. . . he's a former high draft pick who has all the skills, and is still a young guy. . . if he has his head on straight now, he might end up being the guy. . . as barren as the tackle market is, they could probably do worse than try to develop cyrus. . .

i'd be more than fine with drafting nelson, and likely putting one spot on the line on lockdown for the next decade-plus. . .

I can't wait to have a great line with no QB. We can be the next Browns!

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

He'll take his deal and he'll like it.

Of course he’ll like his deal.

What C wouldn’t like to get paid like the 2nd best LT in the league?