Thread: Siemien to Vikings

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You're right, we can be the Cowboys and do nothing with that line and average QB! Woooooohooooooo!

We don't have the Jags D. BPA isn't going to build that roster in time. That was the point - it was either a hard approach with the best QB on the market, or a rebuild/build a strong D with a game manager QB whose contract isn't a burden on you. What you just typed out is my point - all we've done is limit ourselves to hoping that we contend weakly, like the Titans, or that our defense can overcome a limited QB, like the Jags had hoped. And, the Eagles also enjoyed homefield advantage, thanks largely to their legitimate QB.

The Eagles traded up to #2 to get Wentz, only nobody is as stupid as the Browns were then (they fired that GM who made that trade), so assuming there is a Wentz on the board at #2 this season (and there doesn't seem to be), then he's not getting past #2 in all probability.

And "BPA won't rebuild the roster in time" in time for what? Nobody with a brain thinks the Broncos are going to compete for a SB this season. So, we're talking about 2019 at best, and more probably 2020 before they could, at the earliest, hope to win another SB.

But, that is ONLY if they add about 10 new starters to the roster (and probably significantly more than that ) between now and then. And the 5th pick of the draft is where they better start rolling.

They need immediate impact players in 2018, 2019 drafts, PLUS they need Keenum to turn out to be the QB he was last year. If all that happens then maybe they can compete with Pittsburgh or NE. If not they won't.

The idea that Josh Allen is going to rescue the franchise in two years? Andrew Luck couldn't rescue Indy because of the crap players he had around him, and nobody with any sense thinks Allen is remotely as good a prospect as Andrew Luck was.

Originally Posted by Buff

Made me a little sad that nobody from Denver reached out to him after the trade. Seems like he felt it to be enough of a slight to mention in the story.

Classy.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

No. I'd rather be the team drafting a QB and developing him properly. Like the Rams, Eagles, and Texans have recently showed is still very much a thing. Or, you know, if you have to trade up, let's not act like everyone in the NFL was in love with either Goff, Watson, or Wentz. After the fact we act like they were sure fire candidates.

Or you can be the team that drafts a QB with no protection and ruin him. That story has played out many times in the NFL. Very few come in and develop when they are expected to carry the team. Any QB drafted will get ruined behind our oline.

Originally Posted by Mike

Or you can be the team that drafts a QB with no protection and ruin him. That story has played out many times in the NFL. Very few come in and develop when they are expected to carry the team. Any QB drafted will get ruined behind our oline.

Until we see what our line will be I don't think we can assume this.

Originally Posted by VonDoom

Interesting look at the details leading up to Siemian getting traded. Falls under the category of “these guys are human and sometimes we forget that”

http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/tre...mpression=true

That was a good read.

I think our quarterbacks made our line look worst than it was

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I think our quarterbacks made our line look worst than it was

This. They weren't world-beaters, but our QB's certainly didn't help.

Originally Posted by Davii

Until we see what our line will be I don't think we can assume this.

We saw it last year! It hasn't changed any so far. NO RT in FA, NO RG in FA (assuming they move Leary back to LG).

Unless they find a T and G in the draft your RT for 2018 is . . . . (drum-roll) . . . . Menelik Watson!

The Broncos just guaranteed his $7.1m for 2018 last Saturday.

And the RG is who? Max Garcia, Billy Turner, or JJ Dielman. Those are the G's on the roster.

So, if you give away your draft to move up and take a QB, that will be the OL for 2018.

LT Bolles
LG Leary
C Paradis (assuming they keep him, he's a restricted FA, if not then Connor McGovern)
RG ??? Billy Turner? Max Garcia can't play RG which is why they moved Leary to RG last year.
RT Menelik Watson.

Urf.

Welcome to the NFL rookie QB! Here's the ball. Better learn to throw it quick!

Originally Posted by Cugel

We saw it last year! It hasn't changed any so far. NO RT in FA, NO RG in FA (assuming they move Leary back to LG).

Unless they find a T and G in the draft your RT for 2018 is . . . . (drum-roll) . . . . Menelik Watson!

The Broncos just guaranteed his $7.1m for 2018 last Saturday.

And the RG is who? Max Garcia, Billy Turner, or JJ Dielman. Those are the G's on the roster.

So, if you give away your draft to move up and take a QB, that will be the OL for 2018.

LT Bolles
LG Leary
C Paradis (assuming they keep him, he's a restricted FA, if not then Connor McGovern)
RG ??? Billy Turner? Max Garcia can't play RG which is why they moved Leary to RG last year.
RT Menelik Watson.

Urf.

Welcome to the NFL rookie QB! Here's the ball. Better learn to throw it quick!

Isn't Turner a tackle? I think most have him taking over RT and McGovern in at RG.
That would seem to make more sense, wouldn't it?

I cannot see Watson a Starter. And he will bring down whoever is next to him, presumably McGovern who looks like a solid starter.

I want to see Nelson and Bolles play on the same side

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I want to see Nelson and Bolles play on the same side

Either that, or Leary back next to Bolles and Nelson on the right.

Nelson could manhandle the right all by himself, just about . . .

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I think our quarterbacks made our line look worst than it was

I think our QBs made our line look better than it was.

Hard for a QB to cause a RT to stand still and let a rusher wink at the RT as he goes by the statue -- aka RT.

Originally Posted by Cugel

The Eagles traded up to #2 to get Wentz, only nobody is as stupid as the Browns were then (they fired that GM who made that trade), so assuming there is a Wentz on the board at #2 this season (and there doesn't seem to be), then he's not getting past #2 in all probability.

And "BPA won't rebuild the roster in time" in time for what? Nobody with a brain thinks the Broncos are going to compete for a SB this season. So, we're talking about 2019 at best, and more probably 2020 before they could, at the earliest, hope to win another SB.

But, that is ONLY if they add about 10 new starters to the roster (and probably significantly more than that ) between now and then. And the 5th pick of the draft is where they better start rolling.

They need immediate impact players in 2018, 2019 drafts, PLUS they need Keenum to turn out to be the QB he was last year. If all that happens then maybe they can compete with Pittsburgh or NE. If not they won't.

The idea that Josh Allen is going to rescue the franchise in two years? Andrew Luck couldn't rescue Indy because of the crap players he had around him, and nobody with any sense thinks Allen is remotely as good a prospect as Andrew Luck was.

There were plenty of questions about Wentz coming out of the draft - please do not act like the consensus was that he was going to be an all-pro, because back then there wasn't a consensus on him. That's revisionist history.

BPA won't rebuild the line in time for what? Exactly what mystery did you miss in that post? Do you just read the post, or do you read what the post was responding to?

Luck rescued the Colts from the overall pick to making the playoffs in three or four straight seasons in a row. Had that front office failed to produce anything in drafts, development of players, decent coaching personnel, and FA, Luck would have at least made a SB appearance by now. Also, don't just hinge it upon on QB like Allen.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I think our quarterbacks made our line look worst than it was

They did. There were multiple sacks where the QB held onto the ball too long, failed to run when that was available as an option, or failed to step up in a formed pocket. Lord knows none of them were making great reads at the LoS and using audibles to hold defenses at bay.