Thread: Broncos will sign Case Keenum, per Schefter

Originally Posted by Warren

For those high on Randolph - obviously everyone will look like the second coming on a highlight reel. But using the combine throws as a measuring stick, he does not look like he possesses an NFL caliber arm to me. Some nice deep throws but his crossing routes and outs were ugly. It was made even worse that he was partnered up with Rosen, who, while he missed some throws too, throws effortlessly, on time, and right into the receivers hands. I guess watching the two together it is hard for me to imagine a world where Randolph is the better pro QB. I'm also pretty high on Rosen so there is some bias there.

This post also comes with the obvious caveat that I don't watch Oklahoma St. so my experience with him is limited.

I think Rosen throws the ball the best of anyone in this draft, so I agree with you. He doesn't throw the 75 yard wrist-flick bomb the way Allen does, but Rosen has plenty of arm for every real throw. Randolph will miss intermediate throws you think he should hit, but I think it's mechanical, which means it can be cleaned up with some work. Randolph does really good work with people in his face and while scrambling for time, which is a worry with me for Rosen. I've seen Rosen throw some TERRIBLE ideas out there - he even got lucky with them.

That said, I'd take Rosen over Randolph - but I think everyone would. Randolph's weaknesses are intermediate accuracy (not a great weakness to have), average arm strength (survivable - not everyone has to be Elway to be great), and the uncertainty over calling plays out of the huddle and working under center. I don't worry about the last couple - Rudolph is a really smart kid who loves the nuances of the game.

It's all about whether his arm can fulfill what his brain sees in the pros, and he can fit balls into windows and hit guys deep. He wouldn't have missed all that nonsense that Lynch was overthrowing by 10 yards last year though. If you think he has a Mark Sanchez noodle-arm, then maybe you can't really draft him after all. I've seen him zip 30 yard throws into the corner of the end zone into tight windows, though - he CAN zip it. I think he's got an Andy Dalton / Alex Smith arm at minimum, and that's enough.

I just think Denver has to move up for Rosen - and maybe they would. If they go another way and move back, Rudolph is definitely on my list.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You've changed, Joe. You're not the man I fell in love with as a poster on this message board. You're a ******* monster.

Oh stop. You love my ruthlessness. Thrive on it, probably.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

There's been a few poking their heads into this thread that don't post often. By often, I'm talking about twice a year...

Just call me out by name Joe, jeez. I missed you too.

Originally Posted by G_Money

Just call me out by name Joe, jeez. I missed you too.

I love the pre-draft days because guys like you and CoachChaz come around. I value your posts a lot.

So...Rudolph is a dumber, weaker, less talented version of Rosen...without the pedigree..and has a stupid name.

Yeah, sounds like the type of guy that would fit right in!

(Please note I'm exaggerating...slightly).

You know, I could be calmed down significantly if we were to sign Jordy Nelson to play in the slot with DT/Sanders WR1/2 (As long as the money was reasonable).


If we could make that happen, I would back off my current stance significantly.

No way Denver takes on another high priced WR.

Originally Posted by Timmy!

Can I get a over/under on amount of meltdowns if we don't take a QB at 5?

will it be over or under the number of meltdowns if we do?

Originally Posted by Freyaka

You know, I could be calmed down significantly if we were to sign Jordy Nelson to play in the slot with DT/Sanders WR1/2 (As long as the money was reasonable).


If we could make that happen, I would back off my current stance significantly.

Keenum did well one of the most run-heavy offenses. He needs the play action for his game. Would prefer we double down on the mauler identity and field a pack of ruthless dogs who are adequate pass blockers.

And a TE. I can roll with Booker and Henderson and some kid in the draft.

In 2017, Minnesota’s Case Keenum (58.5) and New England’s Tom Brady (54.0) led all quarterbacks in QBR under pressure with marks that rank among the top 10 in all seasons tracked since 2009. Brady’s placement may not come as a big surprise, but Keenum’s breakout season in Minnesota continues to be one of the wildest success stories since Kurt Warner went from bagging groceries to Super Bowl MVP in 1999.

Not going to be shocked to see one of top 3 QBs drafted and a trade up into 1st round to grab a OT if one slides. OT is by far the biggest need right now

Really underwhelmed with the direction Elway has moved in since Peyton Manning retired.

His stock as a manager has tanked.

Originally Posted by NightTerror218

Not going to be shocked to see one of top 3 QBs drafted and a trade up into 1st round to grab a OT if one slides. OT is by far the biggest need right now

With the depth at tackle this year and at guard I don't know that you have to trade up to draft either position I mean an Isaiah Wynn may be available where we pick a 2 which would be not your prototypical tackle but he was a fantastic tackle in college and he gives you flexibility at guard.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

My gripe with this is that the plan should be to find our long term QB. If it's not Cousins, I was always going to be fine with that (disappointed, but fine) Keenum isn't a long term solution. Elway even knows this or else he'd have offered him more than a 2 year contract.

So we're still going to have to take our QBOTF at #5. So you are paying $18 million to a placeholder, and it could amount to eventually paying $18M to a backup. Keenum is going to rob reps from the rookie (who, IMO should start year one no matter what. Let them play through their growing pains) We aren't going to win a superbowl, but we'll win enough games to be middle or back of the pack in next years draft, and we won't have enough cash to spend properly in FA to fix some of the issues like grabbing Suh to bolster the D-line or Solder to bolster the o-line.

Keenum gets paid all this money to basically fix absolutely nothing and then be gone in 2 years, and then, in two years, if we haven't played the rookie from this year yet, we could be back at drafting a QB again in two years or finding ANOTHER overpaid bridge.

I'd have much rather have seen us draft a rookie, sign someone like McCown in a mentor/backup role and roll out with the rookie. That's where I'm sitting at.

First I don't think signing Keenum means they necessarily will take a quarterback at number five. It's seems like the most probable avenue but wouldn't bet the farm on at this juncture.

Overpaid? I don't know, considering Cousins' is fully guaranteed it looks like Denver got a decent deal. Why do you think would be this McCown is going to be this great mentor and that Keenum won't? I don't know either one of them so I don't I'm sure you're right McCown would have been but I don't makes it the best thing for the team. Bring in McCown and we're assured that nothing is fixed. I think if Keenum is the starter Denver will be more competitive than they would be with McCown.

Things may still pretty much workout the way you would like to see and Denver rolls into the season with a rookie quarterback as the starter. The biggest difference as I see it is that we have a back up quarterback capable of leading the if needed.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

First I don't think signing Keenum means they necessarily will take a quarterback at number five. It's seems like the most probable avenue but wouldn't bet the farm on at this juncture.

Overpaid? I don't know, considering Cousins' is fully guaranteed it looks like Denver got a decent deal. Why do you think would be this McCown is going to be this great mentor and that Keenum won't? I don't know either one of them so I don't I'm sure you're right McCown would have been but I don't makes it the best thing for the team. Bring in McCown and we're assured that nothing is fixed. I think if Keenum is the starter Denver will be more competitive than they would be with McCown.

Things may still pretty much workout the way you would like to see and Denver rolls into the season with a rookie quarterback as the starter. The biggest difference as I see it is that we have a back up quarterback capable of leading the if needed.

But didn't we already have that with Osweiler? I'd still rather have Talib than Keenum, if we want to draft a QB at 5.