Thread: Broncos will sign Case Keenum, per Schefter

I think you're presenting the numbers the way that best suites your argument because you're an optimistic person. As far as my slight, it was no more a slight than what I responded to, Top. Yeah, I 'don't like stat's. Gee, then you followed that up with undocumented opinions as if what I was saying was widely known. Then you strawman me about how I favor my opinions when you present the facts in a fallacious and incomplete manner.

Don't falsely accuse people of things that you're guilty of yourself. So go ahead and tell us that CK had a great passer rating without mentioning the entire story as to why. Stats in a vaccuum mean nothing. It's like claiming someone batted .400 in the majors with less than fifty ABs. Sure, they did it, but the why and the how is pretty damn important.

And, I forgot to mention, without that completion percentage CK ‘17 is basically TS ‘16.

The Broncos didn’t improve at QB, they got shorter.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Once again, I read only your final sentence. I didn't use stats. I revealed them. But I guess
you think you're educated, and I'm not. You've turned the debate into me, and I've stopped
reading you. Good night.

You got personal first and are now playing the victim card. I didn't say you weren't educated. Again, the strawman.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I didn’t hate Kubiak’s system either and I know it when I see it, CK beyond a shadow of a doubt has an inflated completion percentage. If I were you I’d focus on a different stat, pick something that people would be too lazy to debunk.

For example, passer rating under pressure can only be debunked by someone willing to chart plays, it’s an incomplete stat with zero context. Completing a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 3 is different than Rodgers heaving up a game winning Hail Mary, or Patrick Mahomes drilling 14 yards on 3rd and 13 with a DB draped around his legs.

To be sure, I have no interest in charting plays, I have no need to. If I were interested in changing your mind, maybe, but I’m not.

Changing my mind from what? My opinion is . . . no opinion. I don't know what he's going
to do this year. Neither do you. That's my opinion, I guess, but it's not really and opinion.
It's a fact. It's good you don't want to change my mind on that because that and the stats
are the only real facts that have been presented in this entire thread. All the rest are
opinions, mostly baseless. My opposition has been of predicting Keenum's demise. Again,
no one knows that. I'm amused by the meltdown it caused when I revealed that Keenum
had the top QBR in the league last year . . . better than Brady, Brees, and . . . Cousins.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You got personal first and are now playing the victim card. I didn't say you weren't educated. Again, the strawman.

No, I'm not playing a victim. You got personal, and so now we're done. I debate issues.
Simple. The one who gets personal shows he's on the losing side. The winner is not a
victim.

Goodness.

Originally Posted by Jaded

And, I forgot to mention, without that completion percentage CK ‘17 is basically TS ‘16.

The Broncos didn’t improve at QB, they got shorter.

Without that completion percentage?

Well, without his record 55 TDs, 2 Super Bowl rings, and all his amazing accomplishments,
Peyton Manning is basically Trevor Siemian. Yeah, you're right . . . take away Keenum's comp
percentage and his QBR, along with his 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and 13-3 W/L record, and just
maybe you do have TS.

Love you, Jaded, but that is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Without that completion percentage?

Well, without his record 55 TDs, 2 Super Bowl rings, and all his amazing accomplishments,
Peyton Manning is basically Trevor Siemian. Yeah, you're right . . . take away Keenum's comp
percentage and his QBR, along with his 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and 13-3 W/L record, and just
maybe you do have TS.

Love you, Jaded, but that is ridiculous.

His QBR is inflated by completion percentage, it’s science Top. CK is a marginal talent, Vikings now have 3 QB’s better their ‘17 QB (btw, he only played in 14 games, iirc) that went “13-3”.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...K/KeenCa00.htm

Yeah, CK only played in 15 games and started 14, Mr I’ve Watched Every Vikings Game Ever Played In The History Of Ever.

Originally Posted by Jaded

His QBR is inflated by completion percentage, it’s science Top. CK is a marginal talent, Vikings now have 3 QB’s better their ‘17 QB (btw, he only played in 14 games, iirc) that went “13-3”.

Well, of course his high completion percentage affects his QBR. What can I say?

Originally Posted by topscribe

Changing my mind from what? My opinion is . . . no opinion. I don't know what he's going
to do this year. Neither do you. That's my opinion, I guess, but it's not really and opinion.
It's a fact. It's good you don't want to change my mind on that because that and the stats
are the only real facts that have been presented in this entire thread. All the rest are
opinions, mostly baseless. My opposition has been of predicting Keenum's demise. Again,
no one knows that. I'm amused by the meltdown it caused when I revealed that Keenum
had the top QBR in the league last year . . . better than Brady, Brees, and . . . Cousins.
That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

So I guess where you failed was in using QBR in the first place.

Personally, I forgive you, but I can’t speak for everyone else.

I’ll put it a in good word for you, Top.

Originally Posted by Jaded

So I guess where you failed was in using QBR in the first place.

Personally, I forgive you, but I can’t speak for everyone else.

I’ll put it a in good word for you, Top.

You showed where you can get some statistics. Good for you.

Here's where I got his standing on QBR: http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
Actually, I wasn't aware of it until tonight when I heard it in a discussion on him.

But, as I said, I only put forth what he has already accomplished. I didn't make any
predictions. I really don't care who is the starting QB. I am a fan of winning games.
That is all.

Originally Posted by topscribe

You showed where you can get some statistics. Good for you.

Here's where I got his standing on QBR: http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
Actually, I wasn't aware of it until tonight when I heard it in a discussion on him.

But, as I said, I only put forth what he has already accomplished. I didn't make any
predictions. I really don't care who is the starting QB. I am a fan of winning games.
That is all.

No, you’re already on record as saying CK is the Broncos franchise QB, that’s making a prediction.

Originally Posted by Jaded

No, you’re already on record as saying CK is the Broncos franchise QB, that’s making a prediction.

Where did I say that? If I did, it was an accidental overstatement.

As I said, we can't predict what he will do. All we can do is to evaluate what he has done.
He does have a fine year behind him. I am on record as saying that I hope he keeps it up.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Where did I say that? If I did, it was an accidental overstatement.

As I said, we can't predict what he will do. All we can do is to evaluate what he has done.
He does have a fine year behind him. I am on record as saying that I hope he keeps it up.

You said that somewhere in the Broncos Forums MB that I’m too lazy to go find.