Thread: Colin Trevorrow fired from Star Wars: Episode IX due to disagreements over The Last Jedi

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/...nts-last-jedi/

“There were two key things Trevorrow wanted to be changed – and they were not minor”, claims the rumour. “These two things have been known for a while around Disney. Firstly, he wanted Luke to still be alive in 9. He strongly disagreed with killing Luke off in 8 when he had just been re-introduced. Luke and Leia were to be a pivotal part of his script, with Leia’s Force affinity revealed in a much more brother/sister way that was apparently going to be ‘beautiful and tragic’. Mark Hamill loved it. ‘We were on the same page,’ as he’s said about Trevorrow’s storyline. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead – period. Second, he wanted Snoke to live, as his back story was to be more discussed. Fisher dying scuttled his original plan for the Leia Force affinity reveal, of course. But he still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy – more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke ‘walking off into the sunset’ idea, in the last film – rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him.”

F Disney.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

oh for the record MO.

I normally only post one gif. Because my gifs win the internet.

Your gifs are sad and desperate like your life

I dont think the reactions are quite that bad MO lol but i would have to agree that the way Disney has chosen to write this series has been pretty bad. I couldnt even make it all the way through Jedi before turning it off. That has never happened with me for a Star Wars movie.

8 was a giant steaming pile of dog shit.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

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Eh, I would take this with a grain of salt Shane. This is an unsubstantiated rumor from Reddit and none of it adds up. Colin was actually pegged to write and direct Episode IX only and had no say in Episode VII's story and it sounds like he was given multiple shots and produced multiple drafts. After his movie the Book of Henry bombed is when they pulled the trigger to fire him and he sounds like a pain in the ass to work with. Was he like this because of the reasons stated in the rumor? Possibly.

I do find it concerning that around 4 directors were already replaced in these new Star Wars films going back to Rogue One. I will give you that some of the creative choices (or lack thereof with Episode VII especially) are directly tied to Kathleen Kennedy not wanting to cede control it seems. I think I would be more excited if Lord and Miller were still directing Han Solo instead of Ron Howard, I thought they did a great job with the Lego Movie. I feel that under Howard's direction we will get a visually impressive but by the numbers Star Wars flick. It's frustrating because aside from Rogue One it feels like they are wasting lots of potential to expand the Star Wars mythos in non-retarded Princess floating ways.

I am bummed that they followed the best Star Wars movie ever (Rogue One) with the worst. The Last Jedi was ******* hot garbage.

Hey, you were gone forever and you're back for a second and you're gone again (but we could always go try to get you back) vs. the final 'you're gone for good' is interesting.

But it's really more about developing new characters as opposed to just clinging onto the past.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Hey, you were gone forever and you're back for a second and you're gone again (but we could always go try to get you back) vs. the final 'you're gone for good' is interesting.

But it's really more about developing new characters as opposed to just clinging onto the past.

And that is a big problem I had with Episodes VII and VIII. Rey and Kylo are "ok" but I could give a rats ass about Poe, Finn, and now Rose. I was invested in Luke, Leia, and Han almost right away.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

And that is a big problem I had with Episodes VII and VIII. Rey and Kylo are "ok" but I could give a rats ass about Poe, Finn, and now Rose. I was invested in Luke, Leia, and Han almost right away.

Rey and Kylo have to follow up the entire baggage, both good and bad, of all of Star Wars and a fandom comparing nostalgia of childhood via their jaded adult eyes on new content.

That doesn't explain away the issues. However, I'll point to this - people were pissed that the parents of the new jedi weren't a certain way, but if they were the accusation would just be that it was copying an old plotline.

Nothing in the current timeline is ever going to be truly good enough. You have people whining that Luke, who was always a whiner, and a Jedi, who are the ultimate whiners, acted whiny in this movie.

Rogue One WAS a better movie, but it had an easy time in comparison because of it's spot on the timeline. That's the issue.

Here's the truth - Luke was always a shitty character. In under what, three months, he magically went from being a farmer to a Jedi killing badass with no real training, or explanation therein. He wanted to bang his sister, he whined constantly, and he was a liability until the end of the third movie.

He was 'deep' superficially'. All of the characters in the more recent movies have actual depth. But you can't convince fan boys of that when they've already decided they don't like something.

The god damned kids of the first movies have turned into mostly entitled and douchy fan boys of today. Good god, man. This isn't directed at you, but Star Wars is the most beloved bad series ever. FFS, the 'creator' of it was the worst director of it. It's always been a hodge podge of badness that was somehow good. Now that the movies are actually good, they're somehow bad.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Rey and Kylo have to follow up the entire baggage, both good and bad, of all of Star Wars and a fandom comparing nostalgia of childhood via their jaded adult eyes on new content.

That doesn't explain away the issues. However, I'll point to this - people were pissed that the parents of the new jedi weren't a certain way, but if they were the accusation would just be that it was copying an old plotline.

Nothing in the current timeline is ever going to be truly good enough. You have people whining that Luke, who was always a whiner, and a Jedi, who are the ultimate whiners, acted whiny in this movie.

Rogue One WAS a better movie, but it had an easy time in comparison because of it's spot on the timeline. That's the issue.

Here's the truth - Luke was always a shitty character. In under what, three months, he magically went from being a farmer to a Jedi killing badass with no real training, or explanation therein. He wanted to bang his sister, he whined constantly, and he was a liability until the end of the third movie.

He was 'deep' superficially'. All of the characters in the more recent movies have actual depth. But you can't convince fan boys of that when they've already decided they don't like something.

The god damned kids of the first movies have turned into mostly entitled and douchy fan boys of today. Good god, man. This isn't directed at you, but Star Wars is the most beloved bad series ever. FFS, the 'creator' of it was the worst director of it. It's always been a hodge podge of badness that was somehow good. Now that the movies are actually good, they're somehow bad.

Well I am not here to speak for all of Star Wars Fandom, and a big part of the fans do suck but that is my opinion. I never claimed Star Wars was a great movie, just something that I enjoyed and now I am starting to question the direction it is going in. I did and still un-ironically enjoy the prequels warts and all because those movies expanded the Universe and had a pretty good story with a political undertone that was very "Fall of the Roman Empire". And I personally don't hate the new episodic films but I think they lack a clear vision and that is becoming apparent as they move along. I said in my Episode VIII review that I liked the movie but I need to see how they follow through in IX to judge the series as a whole because right now The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi and kind of just beautiful messes.

I try not to look at this movies through the prism of nostalgia (like I said, I liked the Prequels despite growing up with the OT) but taken on their own like you said most Star Wars flicks are B-Grade Space Operas with brilliant special effects. So what you have left is visuals and character arcs and Star Wars "moments" to judge them on. I know for a fact if the new Star Wars films were just some generic Sci Fi movie they would just be considered ok movies, but having the Star Wars name and property associated with them makes them be judged differently, good or bad.

Rey and Kylo are fine and I loved how Rey almost took him back from the Dark Side in the last flick and I wish they would have dwelled on that a bit more but whatever. But then you have Finn who had a really interesting storyline going in the The Force Awakens and a great chance to redeem himself in The Last Jedi by sacrificing himself to take out the canon but instead we get some forced love story, a visit to a casino planet with no payoff, and a new character to try to flesh out in Rose Tico with one movie left.

I thought what they did with Luke was pretty interesting, and while not what I wanted it at least tried to subvert my expectations. I think Luke can still have a great end to his story in the next film. The thing that bothers me about the new movies is that they CAN be more than b-grade movies and they try to pretend they are but they fall over their own legacy like you said. And while I love Rogue One, they had a chance to really break new ground with the Star Wars Story movies and just experiment a bit but they keep playing it same with known characters or timelines. But what do I know, maybe Han Solo will actually be good.

Long story short, it's just not Star Wars fans that are shitting on everything. I'm not some gatekeeper of true fandom, I just know what I like and I think the newer films still have a chance to redeem themselves as a trilogy but taken on their own they have good and bad just like most movies so far. The problem is we are now fed entertainment in chunks. We can binge entire series, find most of our favorites streaming on demand, or even watch new movies illegally. We want to be entertained instantly and we want nothing to change as far as what we remember. Whether or not the new Star Wars flicks are good is a personal thing, but I will agree that fans of entertainment in general are spoiled. The worst part is people just can't seem to let go.

If I truly hated the new Star Wars I wouldn't keep bringing it up, I swear. I tend to just call it a wash and move on. The thing I hate is that people can criticize and bitch about things for DECADES after they come out (the Prequels spring to mind again!) and these are the same people that only want to destroy instead of create. I write and draw all the time because what I create is what I like. I wish some fans would try to create what they want to see instead of just consuming it en masse or shitting on things other people are trying to do so they can see how hard it is to bring a vision of something to life. Just because what you see isn't what you wanted to see doesn't mean you can do better. If you can, prove it.