why are you posting in a stupid thread then?
Just letting the world you are old, angry, and have wrinkled balls?
This article is about two films. The final one, and The Last Jedi.
Last edited by ShaneFalco; 03-02-2018 at 06:58 PM.
We're at a point where it doesn't matter what the storyline is, or who dies and who doesn't, Shane and people like him are just going to immediately blow a gasket and yell and scream about how they would've done it differently. Luke living through that ordeal (ALTHOUGH ITS A ******* MADE UP LAND WHERE JEDIS SURVIVE AS GHOSTS!) wouldn't have made the movie any better or worse, just different. People like Shane are just going to complain to complain at this point.
Shane is pretty good at this game.
Originally Posted by Sting
This thread has too many words and not enough gifs. 4/10
Never heard of him without googling him. What's so great about Colin Trevorrow?
Rey and Kylo have to follow up the entire baggage, both good and bad, of all of Star Wars and a fandom comparing nostalgia of childhood via their jaded adult eyes on new content.
That doesn't explain away the issues. However, I'll point to this - people were pissed that the parents of the new jedi weren't a certain way, but if they were the accusation would just be that it was copying an old plotline.
Nothing in the current timeline is ever going to be truly good enough. You have people whining that Luke, who was always a whiner, and a Jedi, who are the ultimate whiners, acted whiny in this movie.
Rogue One WAS a better movie, but it had an easy time in comparison because of it's spot on the timeline. That's the issue.
Here's the truth - Luke was always a shitty character. In under what, three months, he magically went from being a farmer to a Jedi killing badass with no real training, or explanation therein. He wanted to bang his sister, he whined constantly, and he was a liability until the end of the third movie.
He was 'deep' superficially'. All of the characters in the more recent movies have actual depth. But you can't convince fan boys of that when they've already decided they don't like something.
The god damned kids of the first movies have turned into mostly entitled and douchy fan boys of today. Good god, man. This isn't directed at you, but Star Wars is the most beloved bad series ever. FFS, the 'creator' of it was the worst director of it. It's always been a hodge podge of badness that was somehow good. Now that the movies are actually good, they're somehow bad.
Well I am not here to speak for all of Star Wars Fandom, and a big part of the fans do suck but that is my opinion. I never claimed Star Wars was a great movie, just something that I enjoyed and now I am starting to question the direction it is going in. I did and still un-ironically enjoy the prequels warts and all because those movies expanded the Universe and had a pretty good story with a political undertone that was very "Fall of the Roman Empire". And I personally don't hate the new episodic films but I think they lack a clear vision and that is becoming apparent as they move along. I said in my Episode VIII review that I liked the movie but I need to see how they follow through in IX to judge the series as a whole because right now The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi and kind of just beautiful messes.
I try not to look at this movies through the prism of nostalgia (like I said, I liked the Prequels despite growing up with the OT) but taken on their own like you said most Star Wars flicks are B-Grade Space Operas with brilliant special effects. So what you have left is visuals and character arcs and Star Wars "moments" to judge them on. I know for a fact if the new Star Wars films were just some generic Sci Fi movie they would just be considered ok movies, but having the Star Wars name and property associated with them makes them be judged differently, good or bad.
Rey and Kylo are fine and I loved how Rey almost took him back from the Dark Side in the last flick and I wish they would have dwelled on that a bit more but whatever. But then you have Finn who had a really interesting storyline going in the The Force Awakens and a great chance to redeem himself in The Last Jedi by sacrificing himself to take out the canon but instead we get some forced love story, a visit to a casino planet with no payoff, and a new character to try to flesh out in Rose Tico with one movie left.
I thought what they did with Luke was pretty interesting, and while not what I wanted it at least tried to subvert my expectations. I think Luke can still have a great end to his story in the next film. The thing that bothers me about the new movies is that they CAN be more than b-grade movies and they try to pretend they are but they fall over their own legacy like you said. And while I love Rogue One, they had a chance to really break new ground with the Star Wars Story movies and just experiment a bit but they keep playing it same with known characters or timelines. But what do I know, maybe Han Solo will actually be good.
Long story short, it's just not Star Wars fans that are shitting on everything. I'm not some gatekeeper of true fandom, I just know what I like and I think the newer films still have a chance to redeem themselves as a trilogy but taken on their own they have good and bad just like most movies so far. The problem is we are now fed entertainment in chunks. We can binge entire series, find most of our favorites streaming on demand, or even watch new movies illegally. We want to be entertained instantly and we want nothing to change as far as what we remember. Whether or not the new Star Wars flicks are good is a personal thing, but I will agree that fans of entertainment in general are spoiled. The worst part is people just can't seem to let go.
If I truly hated the new Star Wars I wouldn't keep bringing it up, I swear. I tend to just call it a wash and move on. The thing I hate is that people can criticize and bitch about things for DECADES after they come out (the Prequels spring to mind again!) and these are the same people that only want to destroy instead of create. I write and draw all the time because what I create is what I like. I wish some fans would try to create what they want to see instead of just consuming it en masse or shitting on things other people are trying to do so they can see how hard it is to bring a vision of something to life. Just because what you see isn't what you wanted to see doesn't mean you can do better. If you can, prove it.
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