Thread: New 5 round Fanspeak.

Rosen played at UCLA. He put up good stats on teams that weren't great, and he's considered now, as he was then, to be a top prospect. And that's because he is. And I can't think of too many QB's who were brilliant, competitive, threw great balls, and were invested in the mental side of the game. He's not the Harbaugh brother who played QB, Jsteve, he's an actual talent.

Yeah Jsteve!

I'm still on the Rosen train if we go QB (although I would prefer not to). Yes, he's skinny, and he's been concussed. *shrugs* Big Ben is basically half-troll and he keeps getting broken because of how he plays the position. Just teach Rosen how to fall down - we can use all that extra time he doesn't need to spend working on his throwing mechanics and accuracy.

If I was looking for comps I might include another UCLA QB, Troy Aikman, as a QB who wasn't built like a tight end and had injury/concussion issues after taking a pounding. But I'm tired of taking QBs who look great getting off the team bus and might be able to throw a ball through a tire but have apparently never read a defense or called an audible in their lives. Get me the guy with the working brain and the accurate arm - not a Captain Checkdown type, but a serious competitor who makes fast decisions.

I dunno if Rosen will wind up being a great one of those, but I like his chances better than some other QBs in this draft.

That said, I'd still take OL early. It's easier to protect a QB than find an indestructible one.

Originally Posted by G_Money

I'm still on the Rosen train if we go QB (although I would prefer not to). Yes, he's skinny, and he's been concussed. *shrugs* Big Ben is basically half-troll and he keeps getting broken because of how he plays the position. Just teach Rosen how to fall down - we can use all that extra time he doesn't need to spend working on his throwing mechanics and accuracy.

If I was looking for comps I might include another UCLA QB, Troy Aikman, as a QB who wasn't built like a tight end and had injury/concussion issues after taking a pounding. But I'm tired of taking QBs who look great getting off the team bus and might be able to throw a ball through a tire but have apparently never read a defense or called an audible in their lives. Get me the guy with the working brain and the accurate arm - not a Captain Checkdown type, but a serious competitor who makes fast decisions.

I dunno if Rosen will wind up being a great one of those, but I like his chances better than some other QBs in this draft.

That said, I'd still take OL early. It's easier to protect a QB than find an indestructible one.

A QB means something without an OL. A OL means nothing without a QB. There are far too many examples of teams with great lines who never were contenders. The Raiders weren't a contender when Carr went down, best OL in the game or not. Dak hasn't been good enough to make the 'Boys a cotender, best line in the game or not. Cleveland had a dominant line, it meant nothing. I'm also just in an argumentative mood, so take it for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by G_Money

I'm still on the Rosen train if we go QB (although I would prefer not to). Yes, he's skinny, and he's been concussed. *shrugs* Big Ben is basically half-troll and he keeps getting broken because of how he plays the position. Just teach Rosen how to fall down - we can use all that extra time he doesn't need to spend working on his throwing mechanics and accuracy.

If I was looking for comps I might include another UCLA QB, Troy Aikman, as a QB who wasn't built like a tight end and had injury/concussion issues after taking a pounding. But I'm tired of taking QBs who look great getting off the team bus and might be able to throw a ball through a tire but have apparently never read a defense or called an audible in their lives. Get me the guy with the working brain and the accurate arm - not a Captain Checkdown type, but a serious competitor who makes fast decisions.

I dunno if Rosen will wind up being a great one of those, but I like his chances better than some other QBs in this draft.

That said, I'd still take OL early. It's easier to protect a QB than find an indestructible one.

Rosen or Nelson at 5?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Originally Posted by G_Money

I'm still on the Rosen train if we go QB (although I would prefer not to). Yes, he's skinny, and he's been concussed. *shrugs* Big Ben is basically half-troll and he keeps getting broken because of how he plays the position. Just teach Rosen how to fall down - we can use all that extra time he doesn't need to spend working on his throwing mechanics and accuracy.

If I was looking for comps I might include another UCLA QB, Troy Aikman, as a QB who wasn't built like a tight end and had injury/concussion issues after taking a pounding. But I'm tired of taking QBs who look great getting off the team bus and might be able to throw a ball through a tire but have apparently never read a defense or called an audible in their lives. Get me the guy with the working brain and the accurate arm - not a Captain Checkdown type, but a serious competitor who makes fast decisions.

I dunno if Rosen will wind up being a great one of those, but I like his chances better than some other QBs in this draft.

That said, I'd still take OL early. It's easier to protect a QB than find an indestructible one.

Rosen or Nelson at 5?

Nelson. Rosen isn't Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz. And I know about the concussions I was referring to his shoulder injury the previous season

Rosen is smarter than both of those guys and just as good of a natural thrower. Good god, you're basically arguing that if you're not a big QB you shouldn't be taken. Concussions can happen to anyone, and Luck has a bum...entire body.

JSteve is making me sad and I don't know if I can love him anymore.

Luck is muh boy, you take that back.

#GeeksRule

Luck is a god. Everyone knows that everyone loves that guy.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Rosen is smarter than both of those guys and just as good of a natural thrower. Good god, you're basically arguing that if you're not a big QB you shouldn't be taken. Concussions can happen to anyone, and Luck has a bum...entire body.

JSteve is making me sad and I don't know if I can love him anymore.

now you're just trying to make a point. Maybe I'm beating the frail injury-prone thing to a death but if you're attempting to tell me that Rosen has more football smarts than Andrew Luck who according to many in the pre-draft process was making pre-snap assessments that only four or five quarterbacks in NFL would have the ability to make then I call your bluff.

Realize that I am arguing almost irrationally against Rosen. But between the shoulder injury from 2 years ago the multiple concussions last year and the frail build the potential for him not to be able to win a team over because of his smartest guy in the room attitude is too much for me to overcome. I read an assessment by a scout the other day that stated Rosen as the type of guy that half of evaluators will love in the interview process and 1/2 will hate even from the same front office. I've obviously falling into the camp of those that hate.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

now you're just trying to make a point. Maybe I'm beating the frail injury-prone thing to a death but if you're attempting to tell me that Rosen has more football smarts than Andrew Luck who according to many in the pre-draft process was making pre-snap assessments that only four or five quarterbacks in NFL would have the ability to make then I call your bluff.

Realize that I am arguing almost irrationally against Rosen. But between the shoulder injury from 2 years ago the multiple concussions last year and the frail build the potential for him not to be able to win a team over because of his smartest guy in the room attitude is too much for me to overcome. I read an assessment by a scout the other day that stated Rosen as the type of guy that half of evaluators will love in the interview process and 1/2 will hate even from the same front office. I've obviously falling into the camp of those that hate.

Hello. My name is Von Kinger. It's nice to meet you!

Call my bluff after you research how sharp and how in depth that kid goes. And it's not just in regards to making reads on the field, but to the whole offensive system/s and methodologies.

The shoulder injury is a shoulder injury. The concussions can happen to anyone, and that's the game.

If your team can't be won over by a winning QB, your team is intrinsically flawed. If your offense can't be won over by an elite QB, you're especially ******. It will go down to him being able to get it done, nothing more and nothing less. Plenty of QB's are ********. Being an ******* because your WR can't learn the playbook is fine. It's not about loving or hating, it's about if he can get the job done. And if he can then those negatives turn into positives because suddenly you have to deal with the cerebral QB who nitpicks every play and who holds people accountable.

TS had no talent for the game and his football smarts were vastly overrated. I'd rather have the guy with real smarts for the game and real ability. Lynch was/is a freak and he's dumber than a bowl of hair. Brock was somewhere in the middle and is too inconsistent. It's time for the genuine article - minor flaws aside.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

now you're just trying to make a point. Maybe I'm beating the frail injury-prone thing to a death but if you're attempting to tell me that Rosen has more football smarts than Andrew Luck who according to many in the pre-draft process was making pre-snap assessments that only four or five quarterbacks in NFL would have the ability to make then I call your bluff.

Realize that I am arguing almost irrationally against Rosen. But between the shoulder injury from 2 years ago the multiple concussions last year and the frail build the potential for him not to be able to win a team over because of his smartest guy in the room attitude is too much for me to overcome. I read an assessment by a scout the other day that stated Rosen as the type of guy that half of evaluators will love in the interview process and 1/2 will hate even from the same front office. I've obviously falling into the camp of those that hate.

Hello. My name is Von Kinger. It's nice to meet you!

Call my bluff after you research how sharp and how in depth that kid goes. And it's not just in regards to making reads on the field, but to the whole offensive system/s and methodologies.

The shoulder injury is a shoulder injury. The concussions can happen to anyone, and that's the game.

If your team can't be won over by a winning QB, your team is intrinsically flawed. If your offense can't be won over by an elite QB, you're especially ******. It will go down to him being able to get it done, nothing more and nothing less. Plenty of QB's are ********. Being an ******* because your WR can't learn the playbook is fine. It's not about loving or hating, it's about if he can get the job done. And if he can then those negatives turn into positives because suddenly you have to deal with the cerebral QB who nitpicks every play and who holds people accountable.

TS had no talent for the game and his football smarts were vastly overrated. I'd rather have the guy with real smarts for the game and real ability. Lynch was/is a freak and he's dumber than a bowl of hair. Brock was somewhere in the middle and is too inconsistent. It's time for the genuine article - minor flaws aside.

so youre standing on the idea that Rosen has more football acumen than Luck? That route will get you nowhere

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

so youre standing on the idea that Rosen has more football acumen than Luck? That route will get you nowhere

Even if he doesn't, it's an absurdly high level. So, it doesn't negate the point. I'll take the guy with an arm and the guy with a great brain who is a douchebag over someone with slightly more raw physical talent (Darnold), the mega talent who can't complete a pass, the other Josh, and Lamar Jackson.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

so youre standing on the idea that Rosen has more football acumen than Luck? That route will get you nowhere

Even if he doesn't, it's an absurdly high level. So, it doesn't negate the point. I'll take the guy with an arm and the guy with a great brain who is a douchebag over someone with slightly more raw physical talent (Darnold), the mega talent who can't complete a pass, the other Josh, and Lamar Jackson.

thats my problem. We are polishing turds. They all have flaws. I honestly find myself gravitating to Mayfield over milqetoast darnold, rocket arm with no aim allen, john mcenrosen, and am i mike vick or mike jackson lamar. It sucks but Mayfield has the rally your team drew brees factor.

The 'flaws' over Rosen are mostly much ado about nothing, though.

If you're going to nitpick Rosen then Mayfield should horrify you, if you're being consistent.