Thread: Swag working for his shot

Matt Waldmen has been going full retard lately, he’s a great analyst but he’s starting to think he’s smarter than NFL Coaches. He’s Cecil Lammey but with legitimately original opinions.

Broncos should sign both McCarron AND ******* Bradford.

Originally Posted by Cugel

As Troy Renk put it: "There were reasons why Kelly was Mr. Irrelevant, and it wasn't just off-field issues. Teams draft guys with character issues all the time if they think they have real talent. Some team would have drafted him in the middle rounds if they thought that."

NOBODY in the NFL agrees with you that Kelly was ever a potential 1st round pick.

I haven't heard that from any NFL expert, although some fans blithely believe it.

This is wrong, if you follow the draft/recruiting you’d know that.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

From where exactly are you acquiring your information that informs this opinion?

I get we can like players, or have a gut feeling about them (i have liked a few terrible ones - Kellen Moore, Trevor Siemien, Cody Latimer, hell even Tim Tebow) but to claim Lynch has ungodly talent just confuses me.

Unless of course his ungodly amount of talent is not at football and you are talking about his ability to look like a pirate or some other activity that i have no awareness of.

Talent in football is what you are capable of doing. Lynch has all the physical tools to a very high degree. Height, weight, throwing ability, mobility, etc. His physical talent is absurdly high.

It just so happens that he's stupid. He's the reverse of TS - TS is smart (don't confuse that with his panicking and cowardice on the field) but has almost no talent for the game at all.

De jer swaggy is the only qb I know to threaten to get an AK and murder everyone at the club. That is a pretty severe statement

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Talent in football is what you are capable of doing. Lynch has all the physical tools to a very high degree. Height, weight, throwing ability, mobility, etc. His physical talent is absurdly high.

It just so happens that he's stupid. He's the reverse of TS - TS is smart (don't confuse that with his panicking and cowardice on the field) but has almost no talent for the game at all.

so talent is potential based on physical attributes?

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

so talent is potential based on physical attributes?

If I don't phrase this properly you can skewer me. And I'm too tired for a battle -this does not mean I accuse you of wanting a battle- with someone of your skill.

I yield.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

so talent is potential based on physical attributes?

yes. . . talent is the raw physical attributes. . . skill is acquired ability. . .

Well I don't understand talent to mean that.

But now I know your nomenclature, it makes a little more sense.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Well I don't understand talent to mean that.

But now I know your nomenclature, it makes a little more sense.

that's typically how i see them used in regards to sports, particularly. . .

raw talent vs. polished skill, or proven ability. . .

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Well I don't understand talent to mean that.

But now I know your nomenclature, it makes a little more sense.

We use "talent" as a predictive term, a gauge on potential. Baseball scouts use Future Value in a similar manner to how the word "talent" is here.

PFM had a lot of mental talent and then he used that talent and developed his mental skills.

PFM had a good amount of physical talent and he used that talent and developed his physical skills.

The physical and the mental interact - a player can rely on upon one more than the other, and the great ones usually hit point where they're using both at a high end. Rodgers comes to mind.

One can even have good intellect but be football dumb RG3 or TS, have great football smarts but be stupid, Ray Lewis, or be stupid in both intellect and football, like Favre.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

PFM had a lot of mental talent and then he used that talent and developed his mental skills.

PFM had a good amount of physical talent and he used that talent and developed his physical skills.

The physical and the mental interact - a player can rely on upon one more than the other, and the great ones usually hit point where they're using both at a high end. Rodgers comes to mind.

One can even have good intellect but be football dumb RG3 or TS, have great football smarts but be stupid, Ray Lewis, or be stupid in both intellect and football, like Favre.

most of it is just about processing speed. . . you don't need a guy who can sit down and solve physics problems, you just need a guy who can diagnose a cover-2 from a cover-3 in under 1.7 seconds, or whatever. . .

Even veterans get tricked...except PFM and Brady. Man, QB's were kinda dumb for a long time.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Rick is right. If Elway refuses to just get rid of Paxton Lynch like every fan wants, and then drafts a QB at #5 they will sign a FA veteran like Tyrod Taylor or AJ McCarron, or Sam Bradford to start until the rookie is ready.

That makes 3 QBs on the roster already. In this scenario either Chad Kelly is on the practice squad or he's gone next season.

A lot of fans that love Chad Kelly will be mad, but Elway doesn't care. Chad Kelly is not going to be the starting QB next season no matter what he does in shorts during the off-season.

Any fan who thinks otherwise is just setting themselves up for disappointment and many angry tweets and posts like "WTF??? WHY??? Chad Kelly is great! Why did they cut him??? Elway should be FIRED! "

You might as well get ready for it right now.

In that scenario, if Kelly outplayed Lynch or the Vet (assuming a more moderately priced vet than McCarron), then he would cut Lynch or the Vet.

There is no upside in losing Lynch now. Nobody is going to trade for him with his contract, and cutting him will hurt too much cap wise (two million more to cut vs. keep). So, if the time comes in TC that it's clear that Lynch is the 4th best QB, then they probably cut him and if necessary, spread the hit over two years.

There is simply no upside in doing it now, because it hurts the cap, and there is still the slight chance that Lynch will turn into something, even if only a viable backup.