Thread: Off-Season Notes, press conferences, etc.

If they believed in PL they wouldn't have signed CK. He's only on the roster because of the cap hit.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Not defending him and leaving out the possibility of just not being very good to begin with, but is running him through 3 different coordinators, 2 different head coaches, a million different and equally bad OL combinations in his first two seasons really the definition of giving a young developmental QB (or any QB for that matter) EVERY chance to be successful?

Last season they pulled out all the stops and held an open competition between him and Trevor to the bitter end, to the detriment of the team. Yes, they gave him every chance last year to try and win the job, he wasn't up to it. No the team wasn't ideal, but he had the same opportunities Trevor did and still couldn't take control of the job.

Last years QB competition was a mess because they wanted him to do something and he absolutely failed to. We should have picked a QB and given him full control and first team reps like we are doing this year with CK...

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

If they believed in PL they wouldn't have signed CK. He's only on the roster because of the cap hit.

And the only reason they are saying he's going to complete is because we're trying to drum up enough interest to get a late round draft pick to save that cap hit and take him off our hands.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

Last season they pulled out all the stops and held an open competition between him and Trevor to the bitter end, to the detriment of the team. Yes, they gave him every chance last year to try and win the job, he wasn't up to it.

Last years QB competition was a mess because they wanted him to do something and he absolutely failed to.

Agreed...but a valid argument could be he lost because he wasn't ready. If Jared Allen loses a competition to AJ McCarron does that mean he is automatically a bust? Or does it mean that he isn't ready? Information pretty much EVERY team already knew about Allen. And every team knew about Lynch.

In reality, Lynch had 2nd round skills coming into the draft, but a few QB needy teams pushed and got him in the 1st round. Aside from the need for a young QB, they also wanted the 5th year option on him because they knew he was a project. So, if he was a 2nd round pick, would all of this "pressure" and expectations be where they are today? And is it his fault that he was taken a round early? What if the NFL allowed 5th year options on 2nd rounders? Maybe he'd have gone where he should have.

I find it interesting that a kid is always expected to do certain things in a certain timeframe due to where he was drafted. A concept completely out of his control. So for a more accurate scenario, I think it's easier to look at him as if he were just drafted this year and has a solid starter to sit behind instead of being thrust into a QB competition before he was ready. Compare his scenario to a Garrapolo who was drafted where he should have been and had time to learn...or even a guy like Mason Rudolph this year, who has talent that needs to be developed and can learn under Ben. Steelers fans aren't going to throw a fit if he doesnt win the job in his first 2 years.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

If he was so raw, he never should have been a first round pick. Period. He was AT BEST a 3rd or 4th round QB. Sure it's not "his fault" where he was taken, but he was taken there. First round players should never be 2-3 year projects. Next year, if he's still on the team, the goalposts will get moved from "He was always a 3 year project" (everyone used to say a two year project, but we had to adjust since we're past that goal post) to "well, he was injured, and you can't really consider him a 3 year player so his 4th year is more like his third year...


He was a wasted draft pick. Elway screwed up on Lynch. It's time to stop making excuses and call a spade a spade. Lynch is a first round draft bust living on borrowed time.

People want to make excuses and try and get people to be patient, sometimes you don't need to be patient, sometimes you can tell a QB is a bust. Tim Tebow is a prime example and Paxton Lynch has been a less vocal Tim Tebow since day one. At least Tebow took us to the playoffs.

Maybe in different draft he would have graded out as 3rd or 4th round pick, but in the draft he was taken in he graded out as a 1st round pick. As I have heard it one of realities is that first ten to fifteen picks are generally the guys who will make an immediate impact. Gil Brandt whose was very successful GM in NFL says the second round actually begins about pick 18. I don't think any of us are going to move the goal posts, it's not like we paid to make those decisions.

I really wouldn't say Tim Tebow took us to the playoffs I would say strong running attack and solid defense led Denver to playoffs. However if we're going say that, then it's also fair to he led to a very humiliating loss in the divisional round of the playoffs.

I have to say I find it interesting how much fans expect from young players. In baseball, it's common to wait 3-4 years for a young player to develop and become MLB ready. In basketball, a young player can play right away, but doesn't really hit his stride until year 3 or 4. But in football...we expect immediate miracles. Even when we all agree that the college and NFL games are so different and colleges aren't preparing skill players and OL for the NFL...even when we know a player is a 2-3 year project...we turn around and forget those ideas and still expect these "not ready" players to produce results immediately.

we're trying to pump up lynch again?

man, you know it's the off-season. . . when do OTAs start?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

If they believed in PL they wouldn't have signed CK. He's only on the roster because of the cap hit.

I disagree, if they think he's a waste of roster spot they will get rid of him. Regardless of cap hits teams still get rid of players they don't think can help them.

Originally Posted by dogfish

we're trying to pump up lynch again?

man, you know it's the off-season. . . when do OTAs start?

Whose doing that Dog?

Originally Posted by dogfish

we're trying to pump up lynch again?

man, you know it's the off-season. . . when do OTAs start?

I don't think anyone is pumping him up or defending him...just merely looking at things from a more optimistic approach.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I don't think anyone is pumping him up or defending him...just merely looking at things from a more optimistic approach.

I would also add realistic.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I would also add a realistic.

Yeah...probably a better choice of words.

The anti-Lynchers argue that Lynch didn’t play because Elway, Kubiak, and the coaches saw him practice every day and we, the fans, didn’t know what was going on behind the scenes which is a solid argument. The same argument can be made as to why he is still on the team, right?

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Agreed...but a valid argument could be he lost because he wasn't ready. If Jared Allen loses a competition to AJ McCarron does that mean he is automatically a bust? Or does it mean that he isn't ready? Information pretty much EVERY team already knew about Allen. And every team knew about Lynch.

In reality, Lynch had 2nd round skills coming into the draft, but a few QB needy teams pushed and got him in the 1st round. Aside from the need for a young QB, they also wanted the 5th year option on him because they knew he was a project. So, if he was a 2nd round pick, would all of this "pressure" and expectations be where they are today? And is it his fault that he was taken a round early? What if the NFL allowed 5th year options on 2nd rounders? Maybe he'd have gone where he should have.

I find it interesting that a kid is always expected to do certain things in a certain timeframe due to where he was drafted. A concept completely out of his control. So for a more accurate scenario, I think it's easier to look at him as if he were just drafted this year and has a solid starter to sit behind instead of being thrust into a QB competition before he was ready. Compare his scenario to a Garrapolo who was drafted where he should have been and had time to learn...or even a guy like Mason Rudolph this year, who has talent that needs to be developed and can learn under Ben. Steelers fans aren't going to throw a fit if he doesnt win the job in his first 2 years.

I get that. What concerns me are the reports he treats playing quarterback in the NFL like it’s a 9-5 job.

Originally Posted by spikerman

The anti-Lynchers argue that Lynch didn’t play because Elway, Kubiak, and the coaches saw him practice every day and we, the fans, didn’t know what was going on behind the scenes which is a solid argument. The same argument can be made as to why he is still on the team, right?

That, or that he was a 1st round pick and Elway wants to preserve as much trade value as possible.